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Gymnopedie · 08/05/2025 19:04

‘It’s devastating’: Trans cricketers feel betrayed by the game they love

They can't be their authentic selves any more.

“Most sports are not an environment trans people want to be in. Open cricket is predominantly men and is not the nicest place for women to play cricket. It involves prejudice."

And women's sports are for women. They're not an environment they want men in.

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lifeturnsonadime · 09/05/2025 09:59

What a load of rubbish, loads of women play in what were traditionally the men's leagues, meaning that those leagues are mixed.

My daughter has done that since she was 12.

There is no need for any man to play in the women's leagues.

SuperNameChanged · 09/05/2025 09:54

My son played cricket from age 8 to age 13, when he aged out of Kwik Cricket to Hardball. He didn't like Hardball. It was indeed a hard ball, going quite fast when thrown by some players, coming right straight at your body. It scared him and if it hit you, it hurt, even with pads.

When I was a teen, my (gorgeous) teen boy neighbour broke three fingers just catching the ball!

The sheer stupidity of people who overlook the significant dangers to women of men in a women's game makes my blood boil.

MyrtleLion · 09/05/2025 09:44

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/05/2025 09:03

Exactly.

Enabling trans people be their true, authentic self ( in the TRA-style I mean, NATPALT) requires all the people who don't define themselves by a sense of inner gender, people who may find being defined as if they have an inner gender that makes them mentally the same as people of the opposite sex, invalidates their own experiences and takes away their right to set their own boundaries with respect to privavcy and safety pretty damn offensive, find their true self is not in fact welcome and their own knowledge of themself has to be subsumed into whatever the trans person says they are.

It's this forced teaming and compelled speech that has destroyed their argument. Before that we all knew that some men liked to dress as women, either to be funny (Izzard, Les Dawson, Gazza with the fake breasts) or because it was a thing. I have met and worked with transsexuals and I was sort of fine with them in the ladies because it was one or two occasionally.

Then they started to insist on pronouns and that being female was about sex stereotypes when I've been fighting them all my life. And now they are having a massive stereotypical man-baby tantrum just because we won.

I'm fed up with it. But mostly I'm really pissed off with intelligent men and women, some of them with PhDs in biological research, who are saying sex is a spectrum and are calling me a transphobe. These people often identify with asking for evidence and being rational and scientific but don't see their own bias and can't back down.

Thank goodness for people like Andy Lewis (@lecanardnoir's on TwiX) who have stood up for biology and actually done the research and applied rationality.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/05/2025 09:11

So very sorry.

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IDareSay · 09/05/2025 09:09

These men are pathetic self-centred gits (and I'm being polite).

One reason I enjoy going to watch cricket is there is never a queue for the ladies loo. And thanks for the earworm; it has replaced a rather more annoying one that I won't infect anyone else with!

nutmeg7 · 09/05/2025 09:06

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/05/2025 09:02

Well, that's my earworm for the day sorted out. Love a bit of 10CC.

I don't like cricket, oh no
I love it
I don't like cricket, no no
I love it
Don't you walk through my words
You got to show some respect
Don't you walk through my words
'Cause you ain't heard me out yet

Aargh what have you done? Now I’ve caught it 🎶

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/05/2025 09:03

TheOtherRaven · 08/05/2025 21:44

Quite.

And you try 'bringing your whole self' if you happen to be a woman wanting sex based rights, or an out lesbian believing in biological sex.

It is not a genuine value applied equally to all; its just marketing around a specific enablement of selected behaviours without responsibility or inconvenient boundaries, and connected to creating the dominance of selected political views while policing and silencing others.

Exactly.

Enabling trans people be their true, authentic self ( in the TRA-style I mean, NATPALT) requires all the people who don't define themselves by a sense of inner gender, people who may find being defined as if they have an inner gender that makes them mentally the same as people of the opposite sex, invalidates their own experiences and takes away their right to set their own boundaries with respect to privavcy and safety pretty damn offensive, find their true self is not in fact welcome and their own knowledge of themself has to be subsumed into whatever the trans person says they are.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/05/2025 09:02

NPET · 08/05/2025 23:34

I don't like cricket.
I don't think I should have to read about it. I think male cricketers and female cricketers should be forced to play together until they're all bowled out.

Well, that's my earworm for the day sorted out. Love a bit of 10CC.

I don't like cricket, oh no
I love it
I don't like cricket, no no
I love it
Don't you walk through my words
You got to show some respect
Don't you walk through my words
'Cause you ain't heard me out yet

TomPinch · 09/05/2025 08:50

SinnerBoy · 09/05/2025 08:29

TomPinch · Today 04:40

This is a silly point.

Is that a fielding position?

One that can result in a leg break if you're unfortunate.

SinnerBoy · 09/05/2025 08:29

TomPinch · Today 04:40

This is a silly point.

Is that a fielding position?

PermanentTemporary · 09/05/2025 04:51

Look, a lot of us are older. We've been in workplaces where we had colleagues who never mentioned that they even had partners and talked about going on holiday with 'a friend', or never chatted about their holidays, and didnt have a wedding which was known about in the team, because they were gay. Those days are gone in any workplace I've been part of, and good riddance. There are still probably workplaces where that kind of homophobia exists (my perennial reminder that AFAIK there still isn't a single out gay male professional footballer in the UK). That's what bringing your whole self to work should be about. And tbh it's fine for a colleague to say they're transitioning as well, I wouldn't ever want trans people to have to leave their jobs and take a new one to try and hide their transition which many used to do. It's just that their real self does still include their sex. The old days of hiding and passing and stealth should be gone too.

TomPinch · 09/05/2025 04:40

NPET · 08/05/2025 23:34

I don't like cricket.
I don't think I should have to read about it. I think male cricketers and female cricketers should be forced to play together until they're all bowled out.

This is a silly point.

Helleofabore · 09/05/2025 03:32

GailBlancheViola · 08/05/2025 23:52

There all standing at silly point now they've been bowled out with a Yorker.

Oohhh!!! You lobbed that one Gail. It was a bouncer, indeed! It was just the wicket! I am in deep, I declare!! But I am not out, not even stumped! I am sure we can slip in some corkers yet!

Mmmnotsure · 09/05/2025 00:30

Having googled, or should that be googlyed, I now know that there is such a thing as silly point and what it is, so thank you.

GailBlancheViola · 08/05/2025 23:52

Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 22:53

Well, it is a bit too wide to bowl a maiden over, But they are really trying to spin it to appeal to people, however it is a bit of a duck really. It is all a bit googly.

Bye

There all standing at silly point now they've been bowled out with a Yorker.

NPET · 08/05/2025 23:34

I don't like cricket.
I don't think I should have to read about it. I think male cricketers and female cricketers should be forced to play together until they're all bowled out.

NPET · 08/05/2025 23:30

MyrtleLion · 08/05/2025 19:57

Of course I was mocking the men who said they could only be their authentic selves playing women's cricket. How was that not obvious?

It was obvious!

dubaichocolate · 08/05/2025 23:17

I think seeing as being your “true self” requires wigs, makeup, hormones and sometimes surgery it’s on a level with the Kardashians preaching self-acceptance.

Hedgehogmud · 08/05/2025 22:56

This authentic self thing at work thing is just so puzzling. I don’t do anything particularly womanly and authentic at work. My professional self goes to work.I do my job. I use the single cubicle toilets (tiny workplace). I’ll chat about pets, holidays and food and go home. My authentic self doesn’t really get a look in and I’m perfectly happy with that.
This is about ministering to other people’s insecurities. That’s what counselling is for, surely?

Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 22:53

tanstaafl · 08/05/2025 21:20

Trans cricketers feel betrayed by the game they love ??

Howzat ?

Well, it is a bit too wide to bowl a maiden over, But they are really trying to spin it to appeal to people, however it is a bit of a duck really. It is all a bit googly.

Bye

CowboyFromHell · 08/05/2025 22:45

My true self is a 6ft 28 year old Scandinavian blonde. But fuck me if i can't manage others to see past myn51 year old 5 foot 1; 13 stone arthritis-ridden self.

Oh well, maybe you can identify as a 6ft 28 yr old Scandinavian blond instead. Maybe add it into your work email signature just so everyone knows?

JanesLittleGirl · 08/05/2025 22:42

It's on the tip of my tongue. Just a minute... Here it is:

My heart bleeds purple piss for these wankers.

As you were.

MyrtleLion · 08/05/2025 22:40

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 22:15

Or radical suggestion, but just start your own trans cricket teams. Won't happen though. So much easier to stomp over the rights of women to have their own team and then bleat when they won't let them play.

And when trans events were held, no one showed up!

Because they only feel trans when they are validated by other women.

Once again, women are not support animals for men.

CigarettesAndLoveBites · 08/05/2025 22:39

Open and mixed cricket remains available, but that provides little comfort.

Indeed.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 08/05/2025 22:31

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 21:08

@LadyBracknellsHandbagg Oh Christ, I already spend far too much time most days looking for my keys. Now I'm going to have to find my true, authentic self too?!

Don’t forget your WHOLE self, that really epitomises your ‘identiteeeee’. I need to have a word with my boss about whether this is actually a load of old bollocks.

Ok, I’ve had a word with myself/herself/themselves and I can confirm it is indeed, a load of old bollocks. As you were.