Lloyds bank tripling down

Because photos like this machete-brandishing maniac totally make women feel safe around a male person in the loo. JFC, talk about an own goal.

Operation Let Them Speak continues to deliver absolute solid gold.

Ooh, ooh please do your 'friendly' warning! Pretty please! We all watched avidly as NHS Fife make themselves look like utterly incompetent fools and that was before the SC judgement so an ET because of your 'friendly' warning sounds like it will be extremely entertaining.

I thought we were supposed to be boycotting Barclays because of them bankrolling genocide in Palestine these days?

You have eyes. People can determine sex by looking at someone's face reliably over 99% of the time.

The Supreme Court was clear that sex is biological. Your "friendly warning" would actually be unlawful victimisation of a person who has raised a good-faith concern about a breach of the Workplace (Health Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 section 20 (2c), indirect sex discrimination, and possible sexual harrassment.

Great post.

The recently released information from the EHRC is very easy to understand for the hard of understanding employer.

Yes they're so very exclusively ‘inclusive’ aren’t they?

Banks are the least progressive, most exploitative businesses there are bar the arms industry. If your bank is at Pride but invests in any country where homosexuality is criminalised, they are pinkwashing hypocrites.

I'm sorry to hear about the redundancy, @InspectorGidget. Hope you got a good package.

Such an empty gesture to plaster the physical branches with flags, given that there are so few of them now.

I would be interested to know whether Lloyds does this in overseas branches in (say) Saudi Arabia.

Another consideration, in the rare case of the secret trans person that the employer doesn't know about, is... how does the colleague know? Is it something they've discovered due to an incident in the loos?

That makes a big difference to the kind of conversation the employer may or may not need to have.

"Er... Jane... You have quite a deep voice... Er.... Anything... we should know?"

is a very different (and unwise) potential conversation, compared to

"Jane, we've had a report of indecent exposure in the ladies' loo"

I've just been made redundant from
Lloyds after a long career.

Thank God.

Er, because as a Trans allied employer you would keep details of everyone's "sexual reassignment" and "gender identity" status.

You would ask all employers to enter personal details for equality reasons.

I filled in a government consultation document and it asked me my race, sexual orientation, age, sex, "does gender identity differ to birth assigned sex", etc.

So not sure why you as a trans allied employer wouldn't be doing what government agencies already do.

We used to enforce this without anybody really having to think of it by having an absolutely clear rule that anything marked Women's or Ladies was only to be used by the female sex and anyone male attempting to in there was an obvious wrong 'un and would be challenged. Men and boys who felt the urge to break this taboo mostly held off from it for fear of being publicly shamed and possibly prosecuted. There was also probably a risk of assault from angry men. I don't condone violence, of course, but I also despair of all the men who've just decided to ignore this issue, because the safety and privacy of women and girls just doesn't matter to them as much as the small risk of being called out as transphobic.

As an 'employer' you have a responsibility to uphold the equality act. If you fail to do that, you can be taken to an employment tribunal. At which point you'll lose.

Most 'employers' are checking with their insurance companies and legal teams, in order to follow the Supreme Court ruling and avoid expensive litigation.

Best get started

"...how do I know?"

As an employer you are required to make sure that any job applicants have the right to work in this country.

This will involve checking their passport or birth certificate.

So, you will have noted their sex in your records when you went through the process of checking their right to work.

The employer knows.

Now, it is true that a very small number of transwomen have altered the sex marker on their passport (the figures are 1,457 MtF from 2018-2022).

If one of those less than 1,500 transwomen were employed by you then there would be more to consider, but the vast majority of transwomen have not done this and will be recorded as male by the employer.

For those transwomen with a GRC, it does get more tricky as they will have a birth certificate in their new gender. However, I would suggest that it is quite plain, in most cases, when a transwoman is a transwoman and the SC ruling now means that they are men regardless of having a new birth certificate.
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"I’m more likely to give the complainant a friendly warning about harassment"

You would be opening the company to a whole world of problems in that case.

Oh god @JKRismyPatronus photos like that make me 😆
I know they're meant to be intimidating and I'm not playing down the mental state of the guys who post them, but whyyyy they are always taken sat on mummy's sofa in some mediocre beige sitting room with the net curtains closed

Whether or not many people actually do use the loos of the opposite sex, the point is that many big employers have indeed made a big fuss of their "inclusive" policies which allow staff to do so. I'm not happy with such a policy, even if nobody uses the option. I find it offensive, and it's also unlawful.

Rather than respond to your "toilet police" question which has been amply covered in this thread, I'll ask you a question - if this is a non-issue and there is nobody out there "identifying" into different loos, then what is the problem with keeping loos single sex?

I have a lloyds account. They'd like me to close it as I don't use it very much. I think keeping it is a good idea and then I can "I am a customer" when i complain.

Mind you, our area lost its last bank this week.

I have kept up with the evolution of the flag. What does the circle stand for?

Those pesky women. I mean, who wouldn't want to share a toilet facility with this lovely 'lady' eh TransAlly?

This really is nonsense and a non problem. Having worked in big organisations like Barclays for decades, I have literally never experienced anyone remotely male-seeming trying to use the women’s loos. I honestly think the idea that anyone can use any loos based on how they identify, is pretty much made up to rile people - especially in the corporate world

also, how will anyone enforce this? Toilet police?

Should have gone to Specsavers.

Yes. I think people really lose sight of all perspective in terms of liability and risk with this one too.

An employer who says "everyone can use whatever "single sex" loo they want, in keeping with their multifaceted gender expression, fuck the Supreme Court" is openly flouting the law, and can expect to be dealt with.

An employer who has one employee, Jane, whom they don't know to be trans, and another employee, Susan, alleging "Jane was secretly born male and shouldn't be using the ladies' loo", is nowhere near in the same position. It's a delicate one for the employer to navigate, but not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over (as an employee and hypothetical Susan).

I don’t see the point of flags in banks/shops windows? They are well behind the times surely, these flags were wheeled out years ago to sell shite in supermarkets and score points with stonewall. How many of their employees/customers are LGBTQi*? Who needs to know their bank doesn’t judge them for being gay in this day and age? It’s an empty gesture and anyone with more than 3 brain cells knows it is pointless.

I wonder if it's a Good Law Project type situation? All it seems to take is one morally compromised parent high up in an organisation surrounded by "be kind"/weak colleagues, and poor decisions start to gain their own momentum if left unchecked.

As an employer, if someone complains to me about a trans woman or man or trans man using the “wrong” bathroom, how do I know? How do you know? Their employment records etc will be in their given name

Firstly, and for the billionth time, because it's glaringly obvious to anyone who isn't visually impaired. And secondly, I'm pretty sure employment records state the sex of employees