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Assisted suicide bill

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genandtonic · 08/05/2025 07:12

ive popped this on Scotsnet as well, so apologies. I just wanted to raise awareness to anyone here that is in Scotland.
im not the most clever political person in the world, so apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but whether you believe in this bill or not, this seems a tad concerning given the Scottish governments current level s of nuttiness.

I got sent this from the righttolife oraganisation whether or not you agree with all of their views ( I don’t) I am glad they, and other groups are concerned about this.
given that the Scottish government don’t seem the most inspiring I’m a little concerned. They appear to be taking the English view and making it more extreme? I haven’t read it in depth so would appreciate anyone who knows more about these things adding to the thread.
It seems to have been debated 10 years ago and was voted out at that time.
now it is being proposed by …’MSP Liam McArthur (Scottish Liberal Democrat, Orkney) has lodged proposals for an Assisted Dying Scotland Members Bill. The Stage One debate and vote will take place on 13th May’

right to life news says..’Scotland’s Health, Social Care and Sport Committee directly identified a large number of major flaws with the Bill in its Stage 1 report, and made it clear that dozens of major structural changes need to be made to the Bill, should it pass Stage 1. ’
heres a link to the main article from right to life
https://righttolife.org.uk/news/scottish-health-committee-raises-over-30-concerns-with-proposed-assisted-suicide-law
and one from the bbc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98gzyr678eo
It seems there are many additions to the bill here in Scotland that aren’t in England and wakes. It would be very useful, I suspect, to write to your MP . There is a template at the end of the right to life link.
anyway, FYI in case it’s of interest. (And you are probably all already super informed and ahead of me)

Dear x
We are now just 6 days away from the Stage One vote on the Scottish McArthur assisted suicide Bill – it’s happening this coming Tuesday, 13 May.
Between now and then, I’ll be in touch a little more often regarding the Scottish Bill. Please do keep opening my emails and, most importantly, take the actions I highlight (usually at the end of each message). Every single one makes a difference.
U-TURN
You might have seen that Liam McArthur has just made a last-minute change to his Bill, raising the eligibility age from 16 to 18. It’s likely he did this because he knows support for the Bill is on a knife-edge.
While this truly disturbing aspect of the proposed law has been changed, despite this U-turn, this still remains a dangerous Bill. If passed, it would put thousands of vulnerable people at risk.
TAKE THIS NEW 30-SECOND ACTION TODAY
The disability rights group, Not Dead Yet UK, is asking people to contact their MSPs using a new tool on their website. It explains exactly why this Bill would be a disaster for people with disabilities.
Even if you have contacted your MSPs already, it’s really important to contact your MSPs again using this new tool – so your MSPs hear specifically about the serious risks this Bill poses to people with disabilities.
Please take action now and click the button below to use their tool to contact your MSPs. It only takes 30 seconds.
Act now - Click here to contact your MSPs
Thank you so much for all your help on this.
I’ll be in touch again soon.
With best wishes,
Catherine Robinson
Right To Life UK

Liam McArthur - a man with brown hair and wearing a suit with a yellow and blue tie, holds up a placard saying people in the Orkney Islands support changing the law on assisted dying.

Assisted dying: Minimum age in Scottish bill to be raised from 16 to 18

MSPs are scheduled to vote on the broad principles of Liam McArthur's bill at Holyrood on 13 May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98gzyr678eo

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1457bloom · 19/03/2026 21:00

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:29

Have you looked into what actually happens at dignitas rather than the glossy brochures and lobby group spin?

Yes, they provide a peaceful death.

MaxandMaggie · 19/03/2026 20:59

Surely palliative care can offer pain free deaths to the vast majority of people in this day and age? And for the very small number that it can't, could options such as induced coma or some such offer the dignity that is craved?

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:40

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:26

Nonsense.

Have you followed the bill at all? It was the removal of section 18 at stage three that led to the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the Royal College of GPs, and the Royal Parmaceutical Society Scotland amongst others opposing the bill.

elgreco · 19/03/2026 20:39

It would start off with some doctors refusing ( off sick...etc), leaving less "good" doctors to do the killing. They will end up killing more people per year than they feel comfortable with, nothing to concern ourselves with there. And there are bound to be a few doctors who like killing people, so at least theyll get their kicks.

Alpacajigsaw · 19/03/2026 20:29

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:26

Nonsense.

My understanding is the right to permit conscientious objection would have had to have been “lent” to the Sc Parl from Westminster as it’s a reserved matter.

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:29

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:22

No issues at Dignitas with this where they have decades of experience, you are scaremongering.

Have you looked into what actually happens at dignitas rather than the glossy brochures and lobby group spin?

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:26

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:24

The reality is the bill forced all doctors to do it whether they agreed or not.

Nonsense.

Alpacajigsaw · 19/03/2026 20:24

I support assisted dying in principle but I’m not sure this bill was the right way to go about it. I also wouldn’t want it to be at the expense of good quality palliative care

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:24

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:21

The reality is that there will be certain doctors who agree with A.D. who will help people because they know it is the right thing to do.

The reality is the bill forced all doctors to do it whether they agreed or not.

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:24

MarieDeGournay · 19/03/2026 18:25

The problem with Dignitas is that you have to be able to afford it and be well enough to make the journey to Switzerland.
Anybody who helps you risks prosecution.
So it's probably safest for them if you travel alone, which means dying in a foreign country unaccompanied by loved ones.

Exactly which is why we need it legalised here so it is available to everyone.

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:22

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:20

They might well have a peaceful and dignified death anyway, and the drugs used in assisted suicide certainly don’t guarantee it!

No issues at Dignitas with this where they have decades of experience, you are scaremongering.

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:21

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:17

This bill didn’t include the luxury of being ‘willing’ to help kill someone’s - it would have required all doctors to do so whether they agreed with it or not, whether they thought the hours it takes someone to drown in their secretions whilst paralysed (which is how you die with these drugs) was inhumane or not.

The reality is that there will be certain doctors who agree with A.D. who will help people because they know it is the right thing to do.

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:20

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:18

5 years feels too long, 6 months too short, 12 months feels right to me. Remember this is not forcing someone to die, it is giving them the choice at that stage when they might face losing their sight, terrible suffering pain etc. They may decide I don’t want that, I want to have a peaceful and dignified and painless death, as available in many other more civilised countries than ours.

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They might well have a peaceful and dignified death anyway, and the drugs used in assisted suicide certainly don’t guarantee it!

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:18

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 18:22

Why 12 months? Isn’t that just as arbitrary as 6 months?

5 years feels too long, 6 months too short, 12 months feels right to me. Remember this is not forcing someone to die, it is giving them the choice at that stage when they might face losing their sight, terrible suffering pain etc. They may decide I don’t want that, I want to have a peaceful and dignified and painless death, as available in many other more civilised countries than ours.

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:17

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:12

You are asking for someone who is willing, to assist you with your right to die. Do you think suicide should be illegal? It’s just giving people choice rather than taking it away.

This bill didn’t include the luxury of being ‘willing’ to help kill someone’s - it would have required all doctors to do so whether they agreed with it or not, whether they thought the hours it takes someone to drown in their secretions whilst paralysed (which is how you die with these drugs) was inhumane or not.

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 20:12

elgreco · 19/03/2026 18:52

I dont think anyone should have the right to insist someone else must kill them.

A miniscule number of people get a " perfect, peaceful" death at a time of their choice. Its really weird that this is being put forward as a human right.

You are asking for someone who is willing, to assist you with your right to die. Do you think suicide should be illegal? It’s just giving people choice rather than taking it away.

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:11

ainsleysanob · 19/03/2026 19:23

Are you in my position? Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't want. What treatment I should or shouldn't accept? Appropriate support? Will you be supporting my son when he sees his mother die in agony and without the dignity that she would have chosen? All because you think I feel ‘a bit suicidal’!

So you don’t think anyone should ever be treated for feeling suicidal?

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 20:03

Duckgate · 19/03/2026 19:39

I don't see how it's any different to abortions.

My body, my choice.

Why is it okay for doctors to end the life of a fetus because the woman chooses to but when it comes to ending your own life this choice is considered "really weird"

Doctors who disagree with abortion are not forced to perform them

Duckgate · 19/03/2026 19:39

elgreco · 19/03/2026 18:52

I dont think anyone should have the right to insist someone else must kill them.

A miniscule number of people get a " perfect, peaceful" death at a time of their choice. Its really weird that this is being put forward as a human right.

I don't see how it's any different to abortions.

My body, my choice.

Why is it okay for doctors to end the life of a fetus because the woman chooses to but when it comes to ending your own life this choice is considered "really weird"

ainsleysanob · 19/03/2026 19:23

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 18:21

I think people should be treated, helped to feel better and offered appropriate support so they are no longer suicidal.

Are you in my position? Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't want. What treatment I should or shouldn't accept? Appropriate support? Will you be supporting my son when he sees his mother die in agony and without the dignity that she would have chosen? All because you think I feel ‘a bit suicidal’!

Pasithean · 19/03/2026 19:03

Absolutely feckin gutted 😞

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 19:02

elgreco · 19/03/2026 18:52

I dont think anyone should have the right to insist someone else must kill them.

A miniscule number of people get a " perfect, peaceful" death at a time of their choice. Its really weird that this is being put forward as a human right.

And these drugs don’t give a ‘perfect, peaceful death’ either.

This chap chose firing squad over the very same drugs used in assisted suicide because he felt it more humane:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0me0jzwko

The prisoner is seen in a green jacket with a white shirt. He has a white mustache and white hair and there is a grey background

Brad Sigmon: Double murderer is first US inmate executed by firing squad in 15 years

Brad Sigmon, who battered his ex's parents to death, said in his last statement it was wrong to take "eye for an eye".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0me0jzwko

elgreco · 19/03/2026 18:52

I dont think anyone should have the right to insist someone else must kill them.

A miniscule number of people get a " perfect, peaceful" death at a time of their choice. Its really weird that this is being put forward as a human right.

MarieDeGournay · 19/03/2026 18:25

ruethewhirl · 18/03/2026 22:45

I’m pretty sure I read that Esther is planning to go to Dignitas when the time comes?

The problem with Dignitas is that you have to be able to afford it and be well enough to make the journey to Switzerland.
Anybody who helps you risks prosecution.
So it's probably safest for them if you travel alone, which means dying in a foreign country unaccompanied by loved ones.

Chainlinkferry · 19/03/2026 18:22

1457bloom · 19/03/2026 18:14

That should be extended to 12 months.

Why 12 months? Isn’t that just as arbitrary as 6 months?

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