Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

More harm (as in quantifiable instances of violence) are inflicted on women by men dressed and identifying as men.
less harm (as in quantifiable instances of violence) are inflicted on women by men pretending to be women.

I'm not sure why you need to make a distinction. It's all fundamentally the same thing. Men harming women.

The major difference is that if these men say they 'identify as women' they think they have the rights to our single sex spaces thus easier access to women.

But you don't think this is an issue 🙄?

How is it that transgenderism is so insignificant that we should spend no time on it until we have achieved an otherwise perfect world, yet so important that people spend all their time telling us not to spend time on it?

And why is it that we should do absolutely anything except run a campaign educating and encouraging men to be welcoming of transwomen in the gents'?

<Checks bank balance>

Ha!

Wrong.

They are all men - what is the difference?

No, statistically you are more at risk of poverty.

Why, is harm less harmful if the actor wears a dress?

"Oh, this group is only a little dangerous and harmful to you, so why are you bothering to protect yourselves against them?"

Seriously???

I've just watched the video of Ansley Baker being interviewed. The women who reported were lying (they said a couple had entered the cubicle) and the security guard must have been a bit of a twit, as she looks & sounds female.

Still, none of this would be happening if the gender borg hadn't inserted men into women's facilities. You've made women justifiably anxious. And I don't much care about one American lesbian having an awkward moment in a hotel loo.

My point is that men dressing up as women and/or claiming to be women so that they can access women only spaces so that they can harm women - does not come close to comparing to the harm caused to women by men (dressed as men and identifying as men).

I live on my own so statistically I'm more in danger in a public toilet if a man decides to use the women's toilet. I appreciate that's not the case for all women, but I'm sure as hell putting myself and my safety front and centre thanks very much.

My special area of concern is single-sex intimate care for disabled, paralysed and injured women and girls (also for men and boys if they would also like the option of requesting single-sex care).

Toilets are talked about a lot, but they represnt far more than just loos, it is the whole concept of something being single-sex.

Ther SC clarified the law (EA2010) the activists need to accept this. I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to be upset as they have been misled by activist groups who have willfully misrepresented the law which has not changed since 2010.

Oh, hi, Chris, you're back! 😄

Look, there’s a squirrel 🐿️

This is not just about WCs and you know it. Quit minimising the issue.

Its about sport, prisons, domestic violence shelters, rape counselling, intimate care for the sick and disabled, lesbian dating spaces, changing rooms for young girls and orthodox religious women. I could go on.

Trans identifying men commit sexual crimes at a much higher rate than men in general, and that’s why we want to keep them out.

How does one care for "women’s health and futures" when one can't even define the word "woman"?

I’m not interested in blaming anyone. I’m interested in protecting people from harm.

If my area of concern (obstetric violence and poor maternal health outcomes) received half as much attention from all of the warriors on this and so many other threads, the media etcetera, I’m sure we could actually start to improve the life chances of women and girls. But no, we are stuck in a nonsensical debate about WCs. If you care about women’s health and futures start advocating for reproductive justice.

These guys at pink news?

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9q4zvwldvo

Most of us are women, so we're well able to multi task thanks.

Also, where do the victims of domestic abuse go, if any man who says he's a woman is allowed in the women's refuge and the rape crisis centre? In my day in women's aid, occasionally men used to send their sister or mum in claiming to be victims to try to persuade women to go back. Now he can do it himself. Progress eh?

Women can multi task…

Chris, you know how you think that sexual assaults, attacks, covert recordings, intrusion and intimidation of women, leading to women self excluding from toilets and schoolgirls suffering UTIs from holding their urine all day, are a fair price to pay so that men can do whatever they want despite having their own facilities to use?

Well, we think that inconveniencing the absolutely vanishingly tiny number of women who have chosen to present as men and somehow manage to do it so convincingly that they can't be sussed even when you talk to them for minute and they are trying to convince you, is a fair price to pay so that women don't have to put up with all the shite I mentioned above. Of course, if you lot hadn't spent ten years trying to force men on women everywhere with all the entirely predictable results, women wouldn't be in this increased state of high alert. That was predictable too.

The Transman Gotcha is addressed fully in the SC ruling, as I'm sure you know. If you care so much about transmen then I am sure you will devote yourself to campaigning for third spaces. Won't you?

... and sod the girls who were the victims of men such as Dolatowski?

I still maintain that the vast majority of people are decent and will follow the law. If a transman feels that their transition could cause worry or anxiety if they use single-sex facilities for their sex, I am sure that they will use unisex options and plan to take that into account.

Frankly, transmen - being female - will know and understand things far more than a transwoman ever could imagine about the reality of being female.

How does one prove one is a cis woman when there is no such thing?