Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

Never mind visiting the UK, is there any evidence that @Christinapplehas visited reality?

My exact same reaction!

Well you could look at the best performing countries in the world for women in the major international surveys eg Women, Peace and Security Index, and The Global Gender Gap Report. Then you would see that, for both, 8 of 10 of the best places in the world to be a woman also, according to you and to Mumsnet FWR, apparently don't know what a woman is (have policies of gender self ID)

Where the hell was all this whataboutery over the last decade while women's rights were being systematically dismantled top-down? How come no guardian angels were swooping in then trying to persuade Stonewall, Amnesty International (fuck's sake, if anyone had a more important cause you'd think it would be them), the Government and everyone else to use their clout and resources instead to help all the other causes that are apparently so much more important than transgenderism?

Doh, that’s because there are not many transwomen compared with numbers of non-trans identifying men. What you actually need to compare is rates of offending between the two groups.

And when we do that, we find that there is no difference in the pattern of male violence or voyeurism type offences. And we also find a higher proportion of transwomen prisoners than men are in for sexual offences.

So they are no different to other men in that respect and should not be in our single sex spaces that were set up for our safety and privacy and fucking dignity.

There is so much store set by transwomen feeling “comfortable “ in the toilets, why should female biological women not be afforded the same consideration?

Yes, some posters are certainly very persistent on this board, despite pretending they aren’t transactivists.

What makes you think we can’t do both? What makes you think we don’t campaign for both? This is a feminism board interested in advocating for females.

You just don’t want to discuss this issue, so I suggest you go and do something else.

Other people do want to discuss the issue, and you have no business scolding and finger wagging and telling us that we shouldn’t be interested, and we are somehow bad people for being concerned.

So we keep the ones with short hair and ties out as well as the ones with long hair and eyeshadow. What's your point?

This is desperate stuff from op

Nooo, it wasn't a setup! Butch lesbians are being incorrectly evicted from toilets ALL OVER THE PLACE, all the time!

It's so incredibly distressing for them, especially after having the slowest pee in the history of womankind, that they have to immediately grant interviews to convenient reporters, when they make a special point of telling the world "Trans women have to put up with this all the time".

It's tough being a lesbian 😭 "I was crying and shaking" said Ansley, showing that she hadn't been coached in any way.

Of course she had!

We are so lucky on here. The number of people who are friends with lovely, gentle, 5'2" transwomen who completely pass in real life, 6' bearded transmen who sing bass and could bench press a Toyota and people with unspecified DSDs... What are the odds?

I wish they'd remove more men from women's spaces and events in the U.S...where trans identified men seem to get far more leeway than lesbians/ women.

These things will happen now and then, though, until normality is fully re-established and expectations fully understood. The U.S has a lot further to go......because it is there that it all began, and where things are most extreme, most crazy, and most fevered.

1975- “Lesbians look like men” said the homophobe.

2025- “Lesbians looks like men” said the progressive.

<blushes>

Thanks 😘

Well, you know, I'm personally rich, I'm single and I'm a glorious American state.

Contented?

Damn right!

Oh, you look gorgeous and very contented, @Boiledbeetle - sorry, I mean @Hawaii!

Oddly enough, the butch lesbian on Chris’s last thread had been given a tampon by her ex in a loving display of friendship.

There’s an awful lot of odd things occurring in both cases, including the fact that, on both occasions security was called, which must have taken some time, but on both occasions the women were still urinating by the time they arrived. They must have really slow bladders or something.

Deal.

Wut?
Most women are pretty finely tuned to spot a bloke at 50 yards: it's a survival mechanism, because some men pose a significant threat.

I can remember watching an interview once, and the two interviewees were Julie Bindel and Jane Fae.
Julie Bindel: short hair, zero make-up, no jewellery iirc, in a white shirt and manly jacket, moderately butch.
Jane Fae: carefully coiffed, lashings of make-up, earrings, lots of clinking bracelets, flowery pastelly-pinky clothes, very feminine posture and use of hands etc.

It was instantly obvious which one was the woman.

And while my loathing of the term 'cis' doesn't decrease, yes, this whole bloody farrago has been drawing women away from other things we'd like to be campaigning for - because defining what a woman is is critically important to any other feminist campaigning.

Which is another reason why transactivists desperate to get in women's spaces massively piss me off.

I don't think he's ever been inside a female changing room or toilet if he thinks butch women are such an unusual sight in them. Probably thinks we have pillow fights and compare tampons too.

While we’re talking about harm and what women should be campaigning about, I think it’s worth mentioning that the Supreme Court has confirmed recently that for the past 15 years, women’s hard won rights had been significantly undermined, through stealth and lies, and had self-ID passed and the Scottish Government got its way, women’s rights would have been permanently removed.

This would have meant that women suffering domestic violence could never have been guaranteed a safe, female only space to escape to.

It would have meant that women who had been raped could never have been sure they could get help where it was guaranteed that there are only women present.

And it would have meant that any criminal who had the foresight to self-ID as female before he was caught, would have been guaranteed to have been assessed as a woman and allocated automatically into the women’s estate. He would then be housed with his chosen victims, who would have no chance of escape.

How much harm do you think we have prevented by stopping that from happening? I think it’s quite considerable. It may not be your pet campaign, and yes that might be worthy of more attention than it’s getting. But losing our legal right to single sex spaces is massive, which is why so many women are fighting it.

Only if you make a picture of yourself in your loud-print shorts and lei.

Can I have first dibs on identifying as Hawaii?

He probably thinks we identify as a US State.

This entire circus show is distracting everyone from the very real issues cis/trans women and trans men face.

Indeed, and thank goodness we've now had legal confirmation that men's "identities" don't grant them access to women-only facilities AND NEVER DID.

All the men can fuck off to men's spaces and leave women to get on with the work of achieving parity with them.

Has @Christinapple ever been to the UK, do we think?