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Sturgeon: SC ruling risks making trans lives "unliveable"

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SidewaysOtter · 06/05/2025 15:18

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/transgender-peoples-lives-at-risk-of-being-made-unliveable-says-nicola-sturgeon

“It certainly doesn’t make a single woman any safer to do that because the threat to women comes from predatory and abusive men.”

You don't get it, do you Nic love? I don't have enough eye-rolls for the idea that trans-identified men are never predatory or abusive, especially in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.

"The former first minister and SNP leader added that it is not “inevitable” that the judgment will make the lives of transgender people “impossibly difficult”, but there was a “danger” that certain interpretations could put transgender rights at risk."

What rights? The SC ruling clarified the law as it is and always has been, which is that trans people don't have the right to treated as if they were the opposite sex. Or does she just mean "It's really unfair that they're going to have to abide by the same rules as everyone else rather than demanding special privileges"?

Transgender people’s lives at risk of being made ‘unliveable,’ says Nicola Sturgeon

Former Scottish first minister expresses concern about interim advice from EHRC

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/transgender-peoples-lives-at-risk-of-being-made-unliveable-says-nicola-sturgeon

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LeftieRightsHoarder · 06/05/2025 15:34

It’s hard to read anything from Nicola Sturgeon without getting the urge to bang my head on the nearest wall.

the threat to women comes from predatory and abusive men

Yes, exactly.

And are there any little clues to warn a man may be dangerous? Like, he forces himself into places where he shouldn’t be? He won’t take No for an answer from women? He ignores polite social conventions? He thinks women’s boundaries are for trampling on? He thinks the world revolves around him and women should indulge his every whim? His self-pity is so strong, it justifies his every abusive action?

Just a thought.

NumberTheory · 06/05/2025 15:33

It seems to be totally beyond any of the TRA side to consider that the way to make trans lives better is to agitate for provision for them, specific to their needs, instead of agitating for women’s (and men’s, but let’s face it, it’s mainly been women’s) provision that is specific to the needs of biological women to be diluted and eliminated.

millfree · 06/05/2025 15:32

@transdimensional Exactly, either the law that sex refers to biological sex or the equality law is totally meaningless.

NextRinny · 06/05/2025 15:32

This provoked some overthinking on my part. Maybe I'm getting a taste of the intellectual masturbation which allowed this ideology to take hold.

Anyway

Stating that transwomen were born male seems to have such a massive impact it upends humanity itself.
But stating they are women has no impact at all on anyone.

Yet transwomen are simultaneously born male and sre women so both statements have to be true. So there is a massive impact and no impact all at once.

Hmm raisonnement à l'absurde or divine transformation.

Stepfordian · 06/05/2025 15:31

Well living a lie probably is quite difficult, especially if it requires compliance from the general public.

nyancatdays · 06/05/2025 15:29

Gosh you’d think she’d just keep quiet after her record in government!

transdimensional · 06/05/2025 15:29

"I would be very concerned if that interim guidance became the final guidance"

She (like certain others) implies that the EHRC has the option of issuing guidance that is significantly more to the TRA side's liking than the interim guidance. But I am really not convinced that the EHRC has much leeway or room for manoeuvre. Their guidance has to fall within the parameters set by the Supreme Court and I really don't think that gives them a lot of options. Nor should it.

millfree · 06/05/2025 15:27

Her trans mob are all she has left, she trashed her legacy as first minister and left the job under a cloud of suspicion of criminal activity and financial irregularity pertaining to party donations. We'll never know the full story of how much she knew but she's a busted flush and history will not look kindly on her or her government.

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