Sharron Davies and Mara Yamauchi are glorious!

Oh that was good. Sharron and Mara weren't giving an inch, nor should they.

I just heard at the outro the presenter saying that yesterday he'd spoken to Jessica, a transgender female footballer. He really doesn't get it, does he?

KnottyAunty and within that section the TW was asked about changing rooms and claimed they always arrived fully changed and left in their kit and when asked about playing in a man's team came out with how they couldn't possibly do that and change with the men - well if you arrived fully kitted out when playing in the women's team what is so difficult about doing the same when you play in the correct team for your sex?

The difference between the way the interviewer was in the first interview and that with Sharron and Mara was stark, as ever. Quite frankly he was all but grovelling on the floor with the TW in the first interview.

Anyway, Sharron and Mara where beyond excellent.

Didn’t they just 🤣🤣🤣
They truly were glorious - it was even better than I imagined 😭

Email address above was wrong - here is the web portal you have to use if you want to comment on the sexist questioning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint%20Summary

Excellent interview.

Thanks for this.

Sharron and Mara were both excellent.

I have no idea of the presenter’s own feelings on the matter, but it felt like he’d been given a list of questions and points to make, and he had to include them no matter how the interview went. Almost as if there was a producer with a cattle prod stood behind him. It’s not good interview technique, but it did a good job of making the BBC look ridiculous. Again.

This was amazing. Absolutely love that they would not refer to a biological man other than a man.

It’s almost as if they think women’s sports exists to provide men with a supply of female human support figures, when they don’t want to play against other men. Women being little more than a breathing version of Lego mini figs to them.

Even the trans identified women (real women) are an afterthought. Just in case any woman thought they could identify out of irrelevance to these boyos.

Full length chat with Jessica 26.30
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w173067qhlkr56n?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

28 Transgender women registered in amateur football. None professional. In England.

Jessica TW: “I can never play football with the girls I’ve been training with…. It’s a big help with mental health… it makes me feel pushed aside and not important any more”. “I could be who I wanted to be on the pitch”. “I wouldn’t give up the sport”

Steve coach: “pushing a large number of players out of the game”. 3 trans players joined this season. We are losing 3 friends. We have a pride specific team in the club … they’ll only be able to play once a month (but keep training). “Never had to say no to someone” “what about the trans men who been taking testosterone to compete in male categories?”

At no point we’re either asked about how the women might have felt up to now having lost a place on the team to a male? Or the women across the UK who had to self exclude?

Noone raises the case in another amateur football league where 1 male injured a woman and 150 female players had to withdraw over injury concerns. No acknowledgment that a puberty blocked post op TW is not the majority of TW wanting to play.

Why didnt they find the player who’s leg got broken and ask how she feels?

The journalist uses the term cis in relation to women and the whole interview is about male feelings. Little or no challenge.

What weird spell is this?

Definitely. I hope the tide is finally turning back towards truth and facts.

And they walloped him with an enormous halibut. Memories of Monty Python's fish dance. It was great.

Yes. Take that as a small victory. I've been following this issue since JKR's essay, and for the first time we are beginning to hear doubt in BBC voices.

Yes, he did let them speak. Although he then tried to continue ploughing on about male mental health in a conversation about women's sports. Almost as if he wasn't listening to a word they were saying.

I'm not sure he even understood what he was talking about, especially when they challenged him to clarify if he was asking them about males or females. He then closed by referring to the male footballer as a "transgender female".

A few weeks ago would any mainstream broadcasters have allowed anyone on air to point out that transgender women are biologically male?

I think "transgender woman (biological male)" and "transgender man (biological female)" should be the default description. So much of this is because people don't understand what's being said. That presenter was making it sound like females were being banned from female sports. I am glad the robust correction was broadcast!

Yes they were excellent. And to give Lowen credit, he let them make the points. It came across very strongly that they had a clear, strong, well supported position. With stuff like facts and all. Erudition, succinctness, clarity, accuracy, passion and the like. In short, that they were right. It also came across clearly that Jessica et al didn't. And weren't. Dennis Kavanagh's parody is extremely funny, and certainly reflects what the BBC has been, but in this instance was a little (not much, but a little) unfair......

Sharon and Mara were magnificent, and didn’t take any of the manipulative, coercive crap the presenter was trying to damn them (and all women who push back on all this abusive gaslighting) with.

‘Oh, but these cheating man want to unfairly compete in the women’s category. And, they’re men who want to ‘play’ (in more ways than one), so they are the important ones. Who on earth gives a shit about women, so why are you all being such bitches and not allowing yourselves and your daughters to be discriminated against, and your rights trodden on’. How I heard from the ‘interview’ in my head. He was so bewildered when Mara wanted to clarify whether he was talking about a trans identified male, or a trans identified female. Even when talking about trans identified, the presenter was like ‘who would care about the female ones?’ (My take).

I think so many women are over this manipulative, and mendacious, portrayal of the reality. Why are these people trying to push abusive discrimination by males on women and girls?

Thank you thank you for this, absolutely blooming brilliant, love the way Mara keeps raising that the law was always based on biological sex and the way they both repeat how men’s feelings are always talked about but women’s never are, some of the men interviewed are just pathetic. Lovely to hear both Mara and Sharron fantastic Warrior Queens!

Sharron and Mara were 🔥

I listened to the full interview with “Jessica” as well, it’s everything you can imagine. TRA bingo.

Wow, amazing 😍
Both of them were absolutely outstanding.

Thanks for the link OP

What a great listen that was. They're clearly both sick to death of this shit and I don't blame them. The interviewer was ridiculous and didn't seem to listen to a word they were saying

Loved that Sharron pushed back so forcibly when he tried his “why won’t you think of the poor menz” spiel. Especially straight after explaining that they are constantly being asked about men’s feelings and never about the women and girls. And Mara making the point about the language and being absolutely clear that transwomen are men.

I usually can;t cope with listening to these things as my blood pressures goes nuts. But the absolute sorrow in Mark Lowens voice when he asks why the mean nasty women can't think of how sad the men are.

It's like Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom- where all the kids are under this spell they then wake up from. How do these people advocating so hard for men to destroy women's sports / safe places/ refuges/ prisons/ etc etc etc not realise they have been put under some sort of mind-altering spell? When will they wake up from it?