“Why are TERFs so well organized compared to us?”

Brilliant. 😂

It's interesting because I'm trying to understand the history and it sort of fits with the depression over on reddit - tell me if I have anything wrong/vital missed etc:

The original trans campaigners Burns and Whittle (& others?) were just the sort of organised, middle class types minus the lawn boys and far right connections obvs who did the grassroots campaigning which led to adding the T to the LGB. They were organised and gained a lot of traction in westminster, and then funding and Stonewall's pivot... Those original campaigners pretty much got what they wanted with the GRA.... Burns claimed in an article that they stopped campaigning around 2012 - a coincidence that UK same sex marriage started in 2013? After which Stonewall seems to have worked out to monetise inclusion on a huge scale to prevent its own extinction. Then with the promotion of self ID maximised its potential market ... and into that environment young people emerged and thought this movement/direction of travel was inevitable/normal/right-side-of-history etc rather than a massive pyramid scheme ... So over on reddit I suppose it is a bit dark, because they thought it was an unstoppable new wave. Must be confusing as the tide has turned sorry about the watery metaphors

Oh, and as for the reference above to a Reddit user called MimTheWitch, I can only assume it’s the same person as thought TERFs were hypocritical for using a barrister who’d gone from being a QC to a KC. Bless them, I think they thought the divine Mr Cooper had changed sex and no one had noticed…

(And absolutely nothing to do with it being a reference to the sex of the reigning monarch which changed in September 2022)

Boy has racist connotations in America as confirmed by a Supreme Court ruling in 2006:

https://www.littler.com/news-analysis/asap/context-counts-word-boy-may-be-racial-epithet-work

It's this one, the sour cream does give it a nice tang and extra moisture: https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/recipe/plum-vanilla-soured-cream-cake

Brilliant recognition of Magdalen Burns and the women from MN who set up For Women Scotland.

https://x.com/theattagirls/status/1919640292187115806?s=61

@JamieCannister “As a result one GC is worth about 10 TRAs.”

I’m imagining a kind of D&D / RP game scoring system:

TERF - determination 10, organisation 10, free time 3

TRA - invective 10, misogyny 10, grip on reality 2

I do agree with you, but I think the TRA reference to housewives is an indication that they're seen as worthless, which says a lot more about them than the hypothetical woman in question. The reference to "bored" does the same (she clearly doesn't have a career, or interests, or even any thoughts) as does the reference to her husband fucking the lawnboy (clearly she's just a beard and/or stupid enough not to realise that her husband is gay, so even her marriage is worthless).

Misogyny through and through.

Here's a selection in response to "I'm busy baking 50 sausage rolls for my Terf cell members who are dropping by later." :

WHAT!!! Only one sausage roll per person. Cheapskate. And with all that far right money too!

Don't forget to write the coded message in the underside of the pastry Jeannie.

Yo, Shelly. Don't forget the tequila for my cell. It was mezcal last meeting and no one was impressed. Do better.

"Ex-GC" 😆 That's not the way it works. There's no unpeaking.

Can I have your sausage roll recipe? I’m arranging a get-together with my sister terf cell members for Friday and was looking for catering ideas. I’ll WhatsApp you.

Shall I bring a pillow, I believe pillow fights are one of those things we women like to do when we get together?

I'll be there - identifying as one of your cell members, even though we've never met - answering the call to freshly Terf-baked sausage rolls.

I’m doing cupcakes for mine.

Oh, can I come? I have been looking for a cell but they are so well hidden, do you have tea? I can bring some balaclavas if you're short, maybe even some camouflage netting (my son has some left from army cadets, he won't mind) I will look in my garage for it and bring it anyway

I'm assembling 10 more patio chairs I got at Lidl last week, because I just don't have enough seating to accommodate my terf cell.

I think her point was that they were super human and overpowered men. But therefore ordinary women should be at least as strong as men.

I don’t think it was a huge philosophical point, just her realising that she had been conditioned to feel like if she said girls were weaker than boys, she was somehow letting the side down.

It’s hilarious, joyfully hilarious how stubbornly small minded they are.

Firstly the image they have of terfs is hilarious. They have such a narrow minded view of women and those who fight for women. Because it can only be white middle aged women, no one else.

Also how misogynistic is that characterisation of terfs. Alas That misogynistic male spirit refuses to die in them!

And it’s the fact that they think they’re the majority. The world all over has learnt basic, universal evidence based biology. Feelings will not trump that. So it’s not terfs they have to contend with, it’s scientific fact in which we as a society base our reality.

But no, the issue is terfs. Not the men and women all the world over that believe in the biological reality of men and women.

Also do they not know that they’ve created this? They bullied and doxxed anyone who has a different view. They’ve been lulled into a false sense of security thinking they were the majority. They bullied us into silence but they should’ve remembered ‘better the devil you know’

The thing is, Buffy and Wonder Woman, at least, are not normal human women - the characters have extraordinary powers.

In Buffy's case that is underlined in one episode where she is deprived of her Slayer's powers and almost killed.

They're also making the mistake of assuming that vocal protests are what makes the difference. It's part of it, but most of it from a grass-roots point of view is writing letters, campaigning, leafleting, contributing to crowdfunders, responding to consultations and getting those in power to understand the issues.

None of that is achieved by standing in the street screaming that you want to kill people, no matter how beautifully made your tatty old bit of cardboard sign is.

I see. Thanks. Still a bizarre state of affairs.

This wasn’t a trans-identified girl, I don’t think. Just someone who was commenting on the “girl power” etc narrative that pervaded her childhood. She was suggesting that she was encouraged by the media of the time to see women/girls as physically equal to men/boys. And that to say otherwise was somehow a betrayal of women.

🤣👏

Just checking… Buffy, Xena, Charlie’s Angels, Wonder Woman… these are fictional characters, yes? I’m sure your analysis is spot on, but are we really saying that the young TRAs somehow believe those are documentaries? Is their grip on reality so fundamentally weak? I mean, I guess it must be given the other fantasies they believe so passionately in but that is a really sad indictment of humanity’s critical thinking levels.

separately, the user names on this thread have really put me in mind to have pesto pasta with fried green tomatoes for tea. Do you think my lawn boy will be here in time to take care of that for me?

That would explain it.

I could host this ere garden party, I have a lawn. The only thing is, I'd need at least three lawn boys for a week to give the place a good tidy up...

Unless @KnottyAuty will be chatting with Camilla.

Um... Camilla is the Queen consort and often referred to as the Queen.

I thought when anybody here refers to 'The Queen', they mean JKR.
Is there somebody else, a pretender to the throne??

I'm not sure how you're managing that, given that she is not longer with us.

Or has she perhaps just popped along to the golf course to check out the lawn boys?

Whoever she is, I'd like to buy her a drink.

...and this:

"because of all this lunacy making all of us look bad, all the financial support is drying up, and you have nobody to blame but yourselves. stop worrying about people who are carving their own path, and start worrying about how you're going to support yourselves and show your Pride when nobody is willing to sponsor you. YOU need to get serious and organise yourselves instead of blaming everyone else for your failures, you kind of fucked it up for all of us"

OK, which one of you wrote this:

"It is because they are real women and real women are actually organised"