“Why are TERFs so well organized compared to us?”

What is a TERF?

The potential violence has to be a consideration for any woman. Also a reason I would never take the dog, even though he’s generally good with crowds and noise. The film where a TRA was shouting at a baby was a perfect illustration of how unhinged some objectors are.

There was also a video of a man who goes out and films police. I think he called himself the laughing auditor, or something along those lines. He came across some TRAs who were objecting to a small group of lesbians meeting and was also shocked and quickly peaked by their paranoia and anger. He was even more bemused at the end when the small group of utterly unthreatening lesbians filed out a short while later.

I think there has been significant organisation. Groups such 'Sex Matters' , 'Transgender Trend', 'Legal Feminist' 'Labour Women's Declaration', The LGB
Alliance are now established, and earlier on local Resisters groups were impoortant in pushing back at local levels and raising consciousness.

The early 'A woman's Place' conferences and meetings were very important too.

@PriOn1 I had planned to attend the last LWS event in Nottingham but I chickened out after watching footage of the event that was held a couple of months earlier. The TRA had already taken over the spot where KJK was going to set up, so they had to set up on the other side of the square. There was no police support or buffer zone either. The TRA were literally screaming in women's faces and jumping into the wall and banging drums next to where women were speaking.
They eventually took the meet to outside the local police station 😂
I'm not sure what happened at the event I was going to attend. I'll have to look that up.

Someone else completely unrelated (a YouTuber) stumbled across the TRA gathering and didn't realise what was going on. He had been invited to the LWS event but somehow confused the TRA with them. He spoke to several TRA and was initially sympathetic, but when he started asking questions they got paranoid, turned on him and he was physically attacked. I think he went from potential ally to Terf in about 60 seconds!

There was also the issue of my travelling to and from the event alone and fear of being followed by some rabid TRA after the meet.

I do hope to attend one day though.

It's wild to me that they can't see that the media, government, institutions etc have been (and to varying extents still are) on their side! They had the prime minister of the UK saying that a non-zero percentage of women had penises. Labour had self-ID in their manifesto and Theresa May's government unsuccessfully tried to introduce it in 2016. Stonewall was hugely influential and women were fired for daring to voice their opinions. They had all that and still failed because TWAW is fundamentally not true.

The cognitive dissonance is just mind boggling.

I find trans Reddit equal parts amusing, sad and terrifying. I often want to post on there but there's really no point. I don't think they're capable of having a discussion about this issue. I've seen lately them saying "your comfort doesn't trump my rights". There's really no GC argument they won't take and distort to desperately try and make it fit them (I won't say what sprung to my mind when I wrote that sentence but it was not flattering 🤭)

What a joke. The terfs aren’t well organised at all. We’ve been infighting since 2015. The trans issue would have been put to bed years ago if we had been organised. The TRAs are very organised. It’s only now they’re losing that they’re becoming dissatisfied with themselves

This 100%

I suspect the 'lawn boy' is a feature and relic of the confederate, slave owning southern states.

I’ve long thought it would be nice to go to an event of some sort, but finding the time and wherewithal is difficult, not least because I have a dog and nobody to look after him. Before that, I had children.

If I could simply drop everything and hop off to a march at short notice, I would. Presumably many of us have too many other things going on, unlike those who can just drop everything and go with their mates for a fun day out shouting over women.

It is striking how many there are who enjoy those drowning out women parties. Not dissimilar to armies of football hooligans back in the day. Their mums and wives were probably looking after the dog/children/aged parents then too.

I’m going to Filia this year though and am fascinated to see what position we have reached then, given the astonishing turn that we have taken with the Supreme Court.

I don’t think I need a lawn boy. Having a weekly cleaner might be useful though. And he could sweep the balcony.

When you say " the help they need" I assume you are meaning access to NHS funded surgeries and 'treatments'? There are numerous issues with this, though......not least that it also encourages and nurtures the phenomena of trans children and child transition; and secondly, whilst the people you personally know just want to "live a quiet life" I suspect that quietness might be predicated on a belief that everyone will respect and honour the use of pronouns, and will also give access to single sex services and facilities?

The creation of the 'the trans ally' is meant to provide a protective shield around these 'quiet' people in enforcing compliance and delivering retribution.

Well seeing how many of us there are...

I told Mr Pony that we're being funded by the US far right now, and he mumbled something about needing new saucepans , and then went off to cut the grass. I tried to tell him that we're getting a lawn boy for that but he just mumbled some more.

I'm wearing purple and white at the garden party. I'll bring fizzy wine and sausages on sticks.

Except that those Reddit comments display an extraordinary level of downright stupidity.

You win the prize for funnier name, though.

@Lawnboysforall We had the same idea!

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Speaking with a friend about this recently: trans people do activism in their lunch break or after work, some TERFs are literally on a salary.

Thought this comment was interesting to highlight. Back when I used LinkedIn there were quite a few diversity officers popping up on my feed. Their inclusion priorities were fairly obvious from the things they posted. OTOH, I can't think of many positions where you're paid to champion the boring, old-fashioned kind of woman.

Also as someone who has had trans and nonbinary colleagues, uh... their activism isn't always confined to out-of-work hours.

As a single mum of a preschooler and active breed dog owner who works four days a week... I guess my lack of garden is where I get the time from. No rose pruning or making vol-au-vents for TERF garden parties.

Oh and as an atheist, I guess I have more time for TERFing on Sundays too (definitely not doing the endless shit that needs doing whilst my daughter is with her dad, oh no...).

Reality is - as someone said a few pages back - if you want something doing, ask a busy woman to do it 😂 (And operating in the currency of reality helps).

We may need to get more lawn boys.

As all the money, all the systems, all the media is on their side

Say what??? The £££££ given to Stonewall and other orgs by the government and corporations? The media that has spent years shouting TWAW! Reporting men as Women. Using incorrect sex pronouns? Fawning over the likes of Bergdorf and Mulvaney and vilifying JKR? Writing about Terf far right bigots and #bekind ?

Or is there another media that has escaped my attention?

These people inhabit a parallel universe I'm sure of it

Yeah everyone comments that they barely have anyone at their protests and shit.

I imagine they are talking about Let Women Speak events and similar where the TRA outnumber them.

I also imagine that women who would like to attend LWS have other things on their plate as PP have mentioned such as work, children, caring responsibilities and so on.
Additionally they fear being outed as GC and the repercussions in their jobs. Fear of being attacked by TRA as has been observed many times.

And the numbers at TRA protests/counter protests seem to comprise of the same people being bussed around the country, and students and unemployed with plenty of time on their hands.

Most busy people can't spend every weekend marching around with megaphones but are active in other ways.

Yep

I’ve never had the pleasure of looking at any sub reddits so the OP was an eye opening and quite extraordinary read.

I love the Wee Willie Winkie sign!!!

No. But apparently that’s because all the money’s been going to @Boiledbeetle.