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How open are you about your views?

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Corneliusthecamel · 05/05/2025 09:23

Hi everyone,

Just wondering how open/public everybody is about their views on a day to day basis?

This has become a bit of a source of conflict between my partner & I (both women) recently - my partner feels strongly about inclusivity, fully supports trans people, etc. My stance is much more gender critical. This is not a massive problem because we respect each other and basically just agree to disagree, it’s not a deal breaker. Regardless, it is nice that I can be open and we can have these insightful discussions.

But it’s got me thinking - I don’t think I could be so open about my thoughts in other areas of life. For instance at work, I would probably be pulled up on my views of gender (NHS - matron), and many colleagues have said that they are disappointed about the recent Supreme Court ruling. Same with friends. What in the situation for others?

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fabricstash · 05/05/2025 22:36

I try to be non political at work but everyone knows my views. I am outspoken on women in our profession as so many leave. We are actually having to bring up the SC ruling for guidance so I try and keep it factual. In my personal life I am very out but try not to bore people!

Grammarnut · 05/05/2025 22:29

My family know my views and the majority agree with me - DD is a bit woke, unfortunately (works for a US firm, that might be why?). Occasionally I post on Facebook, but the page is not obviously me (unless you know me very, very well). I am retired. You'd think that means I could say what I liked. Unfortunately the part-time work I do probably includes lots of woke people, but no-one has ever asked my views. The volunteering I do I am careful to be unpolitical in all ways (I enjoy volunteering in this place and I don't want to be told I am not wanted anymore). I also belong to a writers forum - same there and it also means I censor what of my work I read out. And in church there is a TiM (who is 40ish, very tall, with a deep male voice and wears pigtails - sometimes I itch to tell him how badly he wears woman face!) and he is accepted afaik - again, no one has asked my views and I do not speak to him or in any way interact with him. So the public me is silent, the Facebook me hides behind a perfectly legal name which does not out me to random strangers. So much for taking your whole self to work!

Corneliusthecamel · 05/05/2025 21:38

Havetoagree · 05/05/2025 20:23

I believe that the definition of a woman is biological sex (basically agree with the Supreme Court ruling). My family and close friends know this (although to be fair it’s not something that gets discussed that much). For some reason I would never disclose this at work…not sure why, used to work for a big Corporate and was a bit scared to really? Although to be fair no one has ever asked. Crazy in this day and age it’s scary to disclose that you think a woman is a woman but we are where we are!

Yes I agree with you - crazy that we even have to consider whether or not we should say that! For me personally, I feel work would come down on me heavily for not being ‘inclusive’ enough, etc etc, if I was to say how I feel. Sad really and ideally yes we should all stand proud of our views, but you’ve got to have your job and life so sometimes that unfortunately means keeping more neutral than I’d like.

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DustyWindowsills · 05/05/2025 20:37

With friends, it depends on the context of our friendship. The friends I meet through volunteering are old-school feminists (one founded the local Women's Aid back around 1970), and one of them is definitely GC. I suspect a lot of the others are too, but I don't bring it up - just in case

One of my old uni friends is married to a TW, and they are both very active TRAs online. Two of our mutual friends have hinted that they're bored with all the self-absorbed loopy rhetoric, but we don't say it directly.

MMBaranova · 05/05/2025 20:23

Prod me and I'll speak my mind. However, I don't climb us to any rooftop to broadcast.

A lot of my work is linked to firms from countries where language (and a lot else) is heavily gendered. It can be jolting to cross back to the anglosphere.

What I do now is to try to not use The Cult's terms. I tend to use Male or Female and add an adjective.

Havetoagree · 05/05/2025 20:23

I believe that the definition of a woman is biological sex (basically agree with the Supreme Court ruling). My family and close friends know this (although to be fair it’s not something that gets discussed that much). For some reason I would never disclose this at work…not sure why, used to work for a big Corporate and was a bit scared to really? Although to be fair no one has ever asked. Crazy in this day and age it’s scary to disclose that you think a woman is a woman but we are where we are!

SueSuddio · 05/05/2025 19:52

Only if it comes up in conversation, which I'm amazed rarely ever happens. It's like we're all trying to ignore going there.

But I've been open with a number of friends and open with my immediate family. They either agree or don't feel that strongly. One (an ex friend but for different reasons) disagrees but she's gone on to act a bit strangely in general so her opinion holds less water for me.

I've terfed out on FB, not on my own page but on public posts and a few friends have liked what I've said. I also terfed out on my friend's page but felt safe as he lives in another country, it was in disagreement but I'm not all that bothered.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 05/05/2025 17:27

I'm open though don't actually know that many people but most of them are GC and I've got some good friends to discuss things with. The ones who aren't I tend to avoid these days as they're all completely brainwashed True Believers and I can't tolerate the bullshit they come out with.

Luckily for me my DH and family are all very firmly GC so don't need to worry about any of them. My dad was a very old school GP before he retired and thinks it all ridiculous; I can just imagine him doing a Sir Robert Winston to the room at large - 'I will say this categorically, you cannot change your sex'. Me and my cousin are planning to go to a LWS speak event soon and are looking forward to going along together. She can't talk about it at work so we make up for that between us.

Beebop2025 · 05/05/2025 17:09

Not open at work - I was open in my last job and was called a TERF and then my life was made difficult so I resigned. Now I keep quiet. My friends know my views, some agree and others are captured. It’s a source of arguments, but I do think some of my friends are coming over from the dark side, especially those who have had kids - they seem to have pushed this nonsense away, one even said she didn’t want her child being told he can change sex or having pro trans material read to them.

NotNowFGS · 05/05/2025 15:42

I work in a University in professional services. I have been out as a terf in my personal life for a few years. I remember towards the end of 2021 being taken to task by two friends who frankly should have known better but many bright women (and women) who I should be able to depend one are woefully under informed. Some of them are even outright TWAW/most disadvantaged minority types.

Just yesterday I was in a (male) friend's car and Radio5live extra was interviewing a female soccer player complaining about the FA ban on TW. I said something and the male friend said "you sound like my mum".

On fb lately I have posted (about Sharron Davies on R4 the other day - fantastic interview and who could argue about keeping men out of women's sports), and put comments countering lots of shite/liking lots of terfy stuff.

At work I've got bolder with colleagues and I will continue to be even though the institution is captured.

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 05/05/2025 15:27

TangenitalContrivance · 05/05/2025 09:46

Very open personally. Not at all on LinkedIn.

I speak to my children, partner, mother and anyone who will listen.

the silent majority are gender critical and they only stay silent because of big mouthed bullies.

I am glad to say I have flipped my 14 year old daughter and she has flipped her friends.

My teen son flipped me 🤦 well MN did and he was right all along. He's Autistic. I was 'be kind' before.

I'm still ' be kind' on many elements but I will openly say that politically, the trans ideology is very damaging for the future of women. I will caveat by saying I'm ok calling an individual what they'd like to , within reason, if it's a one on one situation.

CarrieLite · 05/05/2025 15:18

Pretty open in my personal life.Had a bit of a falling out last year with my sister and BIL as they're both firmly TWAW. In the end we kind of just stopped bringing it up when we got together. Now we don't talk politics at all (which is kinda weird tbh as we're very much a left wing Labour voting family).

Everyone else in my family is GC, including my kids so that just makes it easier.

It's not something I would talk about at work. It's never come up and there's an unwritten rule that we don't talk politics apart from laughing at the insane thing Trump has done that day.

I'd be honest if someone asked me directly, but I wouldn't bring it up myself.

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 05/05/2025 15:11

A lot of my close friends agree with me on GC, so I am open with them. Would never mention it at work, but I am on various committees related to diversity so try to steer things in a sensible way there (eg with diversity questions ensuring that sex is there as well as “gender”). I do have friends that are very TRA and with them I don’t say anything, no one is going to change anyone’s minds, I think they are aware though but we are all thankfully sensible and can agree to disagree as long as we aren’t throwing it in each other’s faces.

namechangeGOT · 05/05/2025 15:07

Very vocal. Be it my online presence, on here, at home, socially and very much so at work. I will not be censored and I will not silence what I think or feel to makes others feel better.

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 05/05/2025 15:05

Like many others I keep my mouth shut at work - it’s very captured and would make things very uncomfortable for me.

At home and with friends I have had open conversations about the ridiculousness of all this and most people agree.

I have one gay male friend who I have known for 15+ years, who I haven’t really spoken about this much with - I briefly mentioned it regarding the Barbie kardashian fiasco a few years ago (we are in Ireland) and he didn’t get it, basically trotted out of the line of poor trans etc. It was disappointing but bot surprising, he’s male so he doesn’t have to get it. He’s gay and sees anything critical of trans automatically as an attack on his community.

Hedgehogmud · 05/05/2025 14:53

I keep my views to myself as I have a lot of ‘be kind’ friends. Work is totally captured too. I have one very gc friend and I’ve discussed it with my dh who sort of ‘gets’ it.

Corneliusthecamel · 05/05/2025 14:45

Thanks, it’s interesting to hear everyone’s different views. I had a baby last year and whilst she’s obviously far too young right now to understand anything, I’m already thinking of the future and how we can combine my views and my partner’s views to give her the best, most factual understanding of the world as she grows up.

Of course… Who even knows what the world will be like by the time she’s a teen! I can only hope that we continue to proceed in the right direction

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SexRealist · 05/05/2025 14:42

I work in the NHS (not a Trust) and couch my views consistently in term of evidence of benefit/harms and from a medical standpoint. No one is any doubt as to my position though and I have had not only had no pushback but been asked to speak elsewhere on the subject.

My family very much know and all my friends who are close enough to know my views on anything political. I do not know anyone who is a TRA though my youngest is very be kind and we mutually avoid the subject as much as possible. She knows sex is real though.

I have a read only anonymous twitter account, no FB and a barebones LinkedIn that I never use. So, out and proud - but IRL only. I very much admire those who take it non-anonymously, online. But the risk of being mischaracterised is too high for me.

NPET · 05/05/2025 12:46

Interesting question!
Being 21 and very "upfront" (I'm told!), I make my views known when I need to - or usually, as friends would say, when I don't need to! - BUT I tend to be careful when among ppl I don't know (or don't know WELL) for fear of being told off for "reacting like a 60 year old" as one teenage boy said of me.

lnks · 05/05/2025 11:54

I am open with my family who also share my views.
I have started being more vocal in my local area. A while ago I emailed my city councillor and I found out she is very much GC, it surprised me because she is Labour. I’ve rejoined the Labour Party and will be going to my local LP meeting where I plan to also communicate my views. That is making me nervous though tbh.

BlueskyCherrytrees · 05/05/2025 11:53

I’m very open with my friends and family but don’t put anything on social media.

I work for a very captured organisation so I am discreet at work. I have in the past raised concerns at work with my boss following a particularly egregious presentation and also explained that I would not be adding pronouns to my auto signature and email.

I have gone full force in previous colleague surveys in reaction to organisational decisions.

I’m waiting with interest to see what our organisation does in the light of the SC ruling. Nothing so far.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 05/05/2025 11:49

I am completely open with friends and family.
If I am in a group setting of people I know (or loosely know) and someone specifically asks me my opinion I am not ashamed to say it.

I will admit after a few scary confrontations I don't volunteer my opinions proactively when around strangers.
I am not proud of this but the level of anger, hatred and aggression has showed me I do need to be careful.

Coatsoff42 · 05/05/2025 11:47

I am not open at all outside family and close friends. I don’t join in many conversations about trans issues, it doesn’t come up much. But if it does, I’ve learnt from experience that there’s no point discussing it, it’s rarely a calm rational discussion and I’m a very non confrontational person.
I don’t do pronouns on emails, but most people where I work don’t either.

Thatcannotberight · 05/05/2025 11:43

If you speak to me about it, you'll know. If you're on my Facebook, even if you don't acknowledge my posts, I presume you're GC, because it's pretty easy to unfriend me and I've been loud on Facebook for years. I also stood in my local library and told the staff why I thought DQST was a bad idea ( before it happened, but it did still happen). Lots of people agreed with me, but the big noise in our town has a brother who does something similar, so there was much " be kind" on the library FB page. I always order new GC books at the library and talk to one member of staff about them. I wear a suffragette colours pin badge. My children, 23 and 13 are both GC.

BisiBodi · 05/05/2025 11:41

I tend to tailor the degree of openness about my views depending on the situation. Regardless of how I personally feel, it's overridden by a sense of respect for the right of others to hold opinions I don't share.

I think the issue is often there is so much tribalism - on both sides - that many people are afraid to air their views for fear of being attacked for them.
The result is that people tend, and trend, toward their own 'camps' and just end up venting into an echo chamber, which only serves to entrench rather than educate.

When everybody shouts, nobody listens.