"Call Jonathan Pie" BBC Radio 4 comedy

I'm halfway through and I am thoroughly enjoying it. Firing broadside at everyone and hitting the spots exactly. I have so missed this from Private Eye.

Thank you for the link and recommendation@yetanotherusernameAgain

As for Tom Walker/Pie he’s not anti or pro trans I think, but he is very anti identity politics (even did a thing with Little OJ on it) and that pro free speech does not equal you’re right wing. He did take some heat a while back for some comments regarding Sam Smith I seem to recall.

May be like an Alan Partridge type character? ‘Listen to this guy getting it wrong, but hey he’s just a character, so don’t come for us’

Probably. Maybe that's their way of putting it out while still dodging the rape / death threats.

I remember cheering this episode on, thinking Yes! The tide is turning!

And then - it didn't.

sorry to go on, but the essence of his type of comedy should be 'wow, I hadn't seen it that way before' . A great example is his podcast when Trump was elected 1st time - brilliant.
This time? Well, he's saying everything that's been said, over and over, again. for years. And it's not new. It's old.
So-called edgy comedians shouldn't be waiting until it's safe to be cutting and satirical.

I’m sure he’s taken the piss before. Perhaps not so directly but he’s dropped in the JP brand off caustic sarcasm about these issues before. I can’t remember exactly what but I remember thinking “thank god he gets it”

I've listened. It's OK, but, my god, did it hurt him to hold all that in for a decade?
When better women and men than him lost so much for saying this (when he was keeping schtum).

Was long time comedy partner of john Oliver, so not surprised sadly

Yes I listened to that at the time (albeit slightly hidden as a BBC Ireland production - and was 4 years ago)but it was the fact that a comedy show got through which surprised me - am used to the lazy tropes from the likes of the News Quiz etc

Good for you @TangenitalContrivancethat’s interesting, how did you put it and what did Chris say? I can’t completely abandon The Bugle - it’s made me laugh so much over the years - but probably listen to about one in six episodes these days as the guests are just not funny enough to be as smug as they are. Have never heard AZ come straight out with anything, but certainly lets through more spiteful JKR punchlines and things like that these days. His sister drank the Kool Aid a long time ago so not surprised. I wanted to think Alice Fraser was too smart to fall for it but now I’m not sure, and there’s only a handful of guests I can abide any more. That’s not to say some things shouldn’t be made fun of, it’s just they are very rarely done with wit on The Bugle these days.

The 2021 BBC podcast series from Stephen Nolan completely skewers Stonewall. He completely gets it. "You mean the government is paying a lobby group to lobby them?" etc The LGB Alliance, Kathleen Stock etc all appear & he shows how the civil service, OFCOM, BBC etc have all been captured It's still available on the BBC website.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

He did do one skit a few years ago, I’m not sure if he followed it up further.

very pro. I was a supporter of the Bugle and went to live shows. then all that happened. I even emailed Chris to say why I was leaving. Was a twat about it.

Totally agree. He’s funny, I saw him in Shepherd’s Bush many years ago. However afaik on this issue, he’s been silent, like the others. I’m not interested in what he’s saying now. Great he’s finally found his back bone but no.

Obviously Ricky Gervais and Graham L, have been out spoken. Any other comedians with a spine?

I think Andy Zaltzman is pro trans, or he certainly was when he had Nish Kumar and a man pretending to be a woman on his podcast, The Bugle, a few years ago. I completely went off him then.

I remember him doing one of Feminism in the last season, and I enjoyed it. But, as far as I remember, he didn't do anything on gender issues.

Yep

(Doh! I missed it in the OP!)

Here’s the link if not already posted https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002brqn?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

He did a whole show on Call Jonathan Pie on this 2 years ago.

I was listening in slight disbelief last night - couldn’t believe the BBC had let it through.

He has been disappointingly completely silent on trans issues, or rather women's rights in this area for ever. And I love the guys stuff it's incredibly scathing

Pie generally only comes to my attention when being reposted in admiration by friends who certainly wouldn’t support this argument, so wonder whether this will get on their radar or whether he’ll get any stick for it. Haven’t listened yet but will give it a go, thanks for sharing.