Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people

My, the Reddit subs aren't sending their best, are they?

What other ridiculous recycled arguments from 2018 do you think we'll see next? Lady brain scans? Tinkerbell style clapping?

My money is on either the Sex Redefined article or the Redheads argument.

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

A cis woman is what transactivists like to call women. As in transwomen and cis women.

It's the pretence that there are two kinds of women.

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

@LadyChillT Therefore if you're angry actively target the men committing the crimes and not the innocent girls jist trying to live a peaceful life

You talk about your safety being impacted yet here you are attacking innocent girls and feel you have the right to make them feel the same way Men dressing up as women (claiming to be trans) make you feel 👏 Well done, well thought out, you're a bring spark aren't you, your logic is flawless 👏

@LadyChillT Therefore if you're angry actively target the men committing the crimes and not the innocent girls jist trying to live a peaceful life

You talk about your safety being impacted yet here you are attacking innocent girls and feel you have the right to make them feel the same way Men dressing up as women (claiming to be trans) make you feel 👏 Well done, well thought out, you're a bring spark aren't you, your logic is flawless 👏

@LadyChillT Therefore if you're angry actively target the men committing the crimes and not the innocent girls jist trying to live a peaceful life

You talk about your safety being impacted yet here you are attacking innocent girls and feel you have the right to make them feel the same way Men dressing up as women (claiming to be trans) make you feel 👏 Well done, well thought out, you're a bring spark aren't you, your logic is flawless 👏

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@TruthInTransition
All I needed to read from your post was your initial use of the word "Cis" and I could guess the rest

Firstly, please try to write authentically vs getting ChatGpt to do it for you.

Secondly, no, it isn't bigotry to centre women (adult human females) in feminism. It is not “gatekeeping” to say that women have the right to keep and defend our own spaces, our rights, and our reality.

The endless emotional appeals and accusations of hate are just abusive gaslighting designed to silence women who dare to speak the truth (just like we suffer every day from men in general).

Trans women aren't women. They are trans identifying males. They have not lived female socialization, they are not subject to female biology, and they do not experience the lifelong systemic oppression that feminism was built to fight.

Dress however you want, have whatever surgery you like. Refer to yourself amongst your circle as your pronouns you prefer. But none of that changes the reality and it should not mean that you can barge into our spaces at whim.

We are constantly told to be kind, to be inclusive, to make room. But women fought for generations to have rights based on our sex. Not on identity. Not on feelings. And certainly not to be told that speaking about the REALITY of male violence is somehow hatespeech. To say that trans identifying males don't commit sexual and violent crimes is just another instance of denying reality. Gaslighting.

And we do not make “blanket assumptions.” We are intelligent enough to see patterns of male violence with our own eyeballs and we know that self-ID allows predators to exploit legal loopholes. That isn’t fear-mongering—it’s bloody reality.

Look at the cases in women’s prisons, shelters, sports, and changing rooms. The stories of vulnerable women being asked to LEAVE spaces THEY need in favour of protecting the feelings of men. Women who have been subjected to male violence and misogyny, expected to once again fawn and placate men.

At the risk of sounding a bit childish for a moment... It is FUCKING UNFAIR.

Trans women have every right to live safely and free from HARM. I do not hate anyone. I don't care how anyone dresses, but I begin to care when my safety starts being impacted. When my rights start being erroded.

As someone who was sexually abused as a child by a man, sexually assaulted as a teen by a man, roofied and attempted rape by a man, not to mention countless times of sexual harassment, intimidation and misogyny, I have every right to be fearful. In fact it would be illogical if I wasn't.

This is not a zero-sum game where women must sacrifice everything so no one’s feelings are hurt. It’s not our job to pretend that males are women to protect anyone’s ego.

You say “the word woman is not a threat.” But it’s not just a word—it’s a reality. A word rooted in our biology, and in centuries of oppression unique to females.

We are born into womanhood—we do not choose it. It defines a life shaped by systemic disadvantage, not identity. You scoff when we defend the word, claim it’s “just semantics,” yet fight fiercely to take it. If it’s just a word, why is it so important to you—and so silly to us?

Because it’s not just a word. It’s a political category and you all know very well that if you take our word, you can take everything else. It belongs to the people who were born into it, along with the violence, medical misogyny, economic inequality, and social conditioning that come with it.

Even trans-identified males who transition young are still biologically male, socialised as boys, and carry the benefits of that development in a patriarchal society.

You say you’re not trying to erase us. But when you demand our language, our spacea our legal protections, and then call us bigots for resisting—that is erasure. That is misogyny.

Feminism is for women. Not for males who want to co-opt our identity. Not for men who buy into gender stereotypes and think that makes them a woman. Not for entitled men who have no idea what it is like to be a eoman raped by a man, demanding access to rape shelters.

Not for individuals who threaten, dox, and abuse women for stating basic biological facts.

We will not be shamed, gaslit or manipulated into submission. We see what’s happening and we are not playing along!!!

I have encountered 3 trans identifying males in my life. The first the adult child of a family friend. This person was extremely sexually inappropriate but called himself "one of the girls". He wore clothes that normal wouldn't wear and was very provocative, daring people say soemthing. He was verbally abusive to his mother who he bossed around and he didn't lift a finger to help her (conveniently opting in and out of what women "should" be doing when it fancied him).

The second was in the post office. He cornered me in an aisle, lifted up his dress and showed me his penis through his white lace panties. This was extremely traumatising for me given my history.

And the third person started a campaign of online gate against tme when I expressed some of my views on an online platform. He sent me the most vile, disgusting messages and threats. He told me that I was on a list that is shared around, where they work together to find out our information so they can teach us a lesson.

He told me that I would be kept in a basement and beaten and tied up.

I'm sorry, but that is only a threat a man would make. How am I supposed to pretend that a woman was threstening me with those things?

I have come accross other trans identifying males in passing out in general life. The experiences have ranged from uncomfortable to scary.

I have not had a single truly positive interaction. Not one.

Edit: it is a fact that women commit far fewer sexual and violent crimes than men. It is a fact that trans identifying males commit more sexual crimes than women.

It is exceedingly important for the safety of women that we do not have these statistics muddied by lumping in trans identifying males with our numbers. This WILL have a huge affect on our ability to advocate for ourselves and you know it.

Your comment is just one big straw man argument.

the Immensely self centred word salad shouts male @TruthInTransition

the answer is still no

you’re not a woman

we want our stuff back

and obviously peoples sex should be recorded

@TruthInTransition If you were born male then you are male now. It's not "discriminatory" to state a fact. How about if I said "Biological males deciding they want to invade female-only spaces is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity." ? Is that a good argument?

If you have a reform council, don't bet on your MP having a job for life...

I think the way it works is that the original birth register (which up until now has only been the actual paper register) stays the same and can’t be amended, but if someone is granted a GRC, a separate dept holding the ‘Gender Recognition Register’ (which is a private, secret register) issues a new birth certificate with the ‘acquired gender’ listed as the sex.

So as I understand it, a male with a GRC can present a short-form paper birth certificate that says he’s female, but there would ultimately still be a record of his original birth in a book somewhere in his hometown, accessible to anyone who goes to the trouble of looking for it. Obviously, people with GRCs aren’t going to volunteer that info to people, but if they were accused of a sex crime or something, the disclosure process might involve obtaining a copy of the original birth record (or the GR register to show they have been issued with a GRC). I don’t think there’s any mechanism in the GRA to amend the original record at all, as even clerical errors aren’t able to be changed, so that record remains accurate.

I haven’t seen anything in the data bill (that provides for the birth registers to also be stored online) that suggests the digital birth register would be able to be amended either, not any change to the GRA that would allow this (a few words of the GRA are modified by the data bill, but only to refer to a digital birth register as well as the paper one, IIRC).

That said, I may well have missed something key here, so hopefully someone will be along to confirm or correct as needed!