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Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people

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bluegoldflow · 02/05/2025 22:07

Hoping this passes, it shouldn't be possible to change your sex (a biological impossibility) on legal documents. This would prevent men using this loop hole to erase their past identities and stop male crimes being recorded as female crimes.

Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people
Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people
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Datun · 05/05/2025 07:27

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women.

Perhaps you could tell them to stop threatening women with rape, stop threatening women with death, stop battering them, blacking their eyes, pouring soup over them, getting them fired, screaming at them, kettling them, recommending they die in a fire, doxxing them and getting them arrested. Oh, and using their toilets as a porn genre.

And while you're at it, perhaps you could advise them to stop pissing all over London and defacing women's statues.

Just a suggestion.

WellErrr · 05/05/2025 07:20

@TruthInTransition

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience

No it isn’t. How insulting.

The word ‘woman’ refers to an adult human female. It is a shared reality.

You don’t get to take our words and twist them to mean whatever you want anymore.

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

DuchessofReality · 03/05/2025 07:46

fromorbit · 03/05/2025 02:21

Sex Matters did a massive lobbying campaign to ensure the data bill recognised Sex not gender

https://sex-matters.org/campaigns/digital-id-cant-be-gender-self-id/

Talked to MPs, Lords, explained why it mattered etc etc. Got a letter writing campaign going. The disaster of the census and so on. Looks like it paid off.
Also suspect influence from sex realists inside Labour.

Sensible move by Labour. If they hadn't done this that was an easy target from Reform and the Tories.

This isn’t a Labour Amendment. Dr Ben Spencer is a Conservative. As such it is extremely unlikely to pass. Unless the government adopts it which they occasionally do by producing their own which is broadly similar.

This will be interesting because the bill was drafted (I think) pre the Supreme Court ruling.

SinnerBoy · 03/05/2025 04:57

MistyGreenAndBlue · Today 01:14

Oh God. I can hear the howls of the TRAs already.

If you lined them up in ascending order of pitch of voice, then showed them the order one at a time, it would be like a gigantic human piano.

fromorbit · 03/05/2025 02:21

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 03/05/2025 01:27

What true background to this?

Sex Matters did a massive lobbying campaign to ensure the data bill recognised Sex not gender

https://sex-matters.org/campaigns/digital-id-cant-be-gender-self-id/

Talked to MPs, Lords, explained why it mattered etc etc. Got a letter writing campaign going. The disaster of the census and so on. Looks like it paid off.
Also suspect influence from sex realists inside Labour.

Sensible move by Labour. If they hadn't done this that was an easy target from Reform and the Tories.

Digital ID can’t be gender self-ID - Sex Matters

We all have a right to have the fact of our sex correctly and reliably recorded. The government’s Data Bill must get sex right.

https://sex-matters.org/campaigns/digital-id-cant-be-gender-self-id/

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 03/05/2025 01:27

What true background to this?

JellySaurus · 03/05/2025 01:23

Why should Acquired Gender be recorded as male or female? It is neither.

For that matter, why should Acquired Gender be restricted to male or female? Nonbinary or catgender are as honest and truthful as legal-fiction-male and legal-fiction-female.

But, otherwise, yes, actual sex only, plus personal beliefs if relevant.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 03/05/2025 01:14

Oh God. I can hear the howls of the TRAs already.

Screamingabdabz · 02/05/2025 23:01

This would be far too reasonable and sensible.

PoisedRubyLion · 02/05/2025 22:59

RovingPublicInquiry · 02/05/2025 22:33

So everyone will have their real sex recorded, but only people with a GRC have a gender to record (alongside their real sex) what is not to like?

Right to privacy and Goodwin?

RovingPublicInquiry · 02/05/2025 22:33

So everyone will have their real sex recorded, but only people with a GRC have a gender to record (alongside their real sex) what is not to like?