What's going to happen at the next Olympic Games?

Athletics will require all female athletes to have a one off cheek swab to prove they are female. Hopefully that bio technology can be rolled out by other sports too soon.

Slightly off topic, but in my more optimistic moments I hope that the fact that our legislation on gender identity is based around a very expansive version of gender complete with fluidity and non-binary categories will make it easier to differentiate sex from gender identity when the time comes to sort the law out.

Why on earth would you actively seek a passport that may give you problems entering another country?

Facepalm

Did you not see what happened when World Aquatics introduced an open category for trans swimmers at the World Cup in Berlin in 2023?
…nobody entered…

Yes agreed

They will continue to delegate the decision to individual sporting bodies.

I don't think the blazers in charge of international sporting federations really care about women's sport, and they will try to follow the line of least resistance. However as more and more organisations regulate to protect women's sport, that becomes the line of least resistance.

Sorry did you mean competing in their biological sex category or a separate trans category? I'm just wondering about the effects of any hormone treatment they've had, but I guess that would be banned anyway. Sorry I admit to being a bit thick about all this and just learning at the moment!

@PermanentTemporary : "There aren't very many Olympians of any kind of person"* *

This is very true lol! Id heard of a couple of trans athletes. Yes their own category would be good though I doubt there would be enough trans people to compete in many sports. However if it became it thing then I would think there would be more coming up in the future.

There aren't very many Olympians of any kind of person. I hope there will be more trans Olympians in the future, competing in their own sex category. There seem to have been 4 known trans Olympians in 2016, one of whom competed in their sex category.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Thank goodness, cheers for clarifying.

Some do, some don't. If the DSD is one of the ones which is caused by a degree of insensitivity to testosterone and the child doesn't go through male puberty, or only in a limited way, it's possible not to realise that anything is up until late teens or early twenties, when the absence of periods causes concern. So a male like that could well be living as a girl for a long time.

ETA: And yes, tests can establish which DSD it is.

Thanks. I wonder if they have lived as a female. Tests nowadays should sort out what's what.

If a male with a DSD has an F on his passport it will be because his DSD is one of the ones which results in ambiguous-appearing external genitals at birth. (This is only the case with a minority of DSDs.) If he was born in a country which does not have advanced health care which could confirm the DSD at birth or in infancy, that ambiguity will probably result in the baby boy being incorrectly registered as female.

To be fair, everybody should be saying this. And then it would be acknowledged as a common sense thing, not a Trump thing.

Sorry if they've got an F on their birth certificate then I guess they're genuine? Or can't be sure.

Do they actually have DSD's or are they trying it on?

I think it will be more of an issue in competitions like the Women's World Cup (football). But again, the bigger issue is males with DSDs. Of which there seem to be quite a few in football.

Regarding trans people - there are and have been men who claim to be women in some women's events. TiFs or NB females in female categories are competing in the correct category and don't pose any fairness or safety issues for the other women.

The bigger issue is males with DSDs and an F on their birth certificate and the executive order will apply to them as well.

Are there a lot of trans people wanting to enter the Olympics?

Queensland also has birthing parents, NB designations on legal documentation, and children (from as young as the parents report) are legally permitted to use the toilet/changerooms/etc of their preferred “gender”/sex at school, pronoun choice is mandated and schools can assist children to transition without informing the parents, and can report parents to the Anti Discrimination Commission if they object to their child transitioning, if they use the incorrect pronouns for their child or if they are “anti-trans” or transphobic.

Yep. It is absolutely farcical.

A child under 10 can have their birth certificate changed by their parents, according to whichever gender the parents decide the child is.

A child between ages 10 - 16 can, with parental approval, can change their sex marker on their birth certificate.

Anyone 16+ can change their birth certificate to correspond to their self identified “gender identity”.

But don’t worry, Queenslanders have stringent checks and balances enacted and follow then”science” of transness. Thus an individual can only change their gender marker/sex legally once every 12 month period.

Birth certificates are able to be changed to M, F or X (in my state, they are able to be changed once every 12 months, should the person wish)

Uhm, sorry, what?!

Trump is quite mad, and a terrible person. Banning athletes at the border is a typical trump move. I don't agree with that at all but he is the president, I am not American, so they need to work that out amongst themselves.

For clarity, I am fully in favour of the female sports and do not think males of any gender identity should compete in it. However, I also think this is a matter for the law, and for sporting bodies and competition organisers.