Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding

Thanks for this, and thank god we can now talk about this in plain terms. Going off topic briefly, how did anybody seriously think the general public would fail to notice that the majority of trans-identified people fall into two extremely different groups:

1. Girls and young women, many struggling with any or all of: mental health issues, being neurodivergent, bullying at school, experience of abuse, sexual harassment in and out of school, confusion about their own sexuality, growing up in a porn-soaked world.
2. Middle-aged and older men, mostly heterosexual, mostly fathers of children.

Where are the large numbers of midlde-aged and older women transitioning now that there's no stigma? Why did we move from a position where the number of children and adults seeking health care and psychological support with gender issues was barely out of three figures across the UK and mostly male, to the position we're in now where gender clinics are swamped with thousands of patients on waiting lists, and where the majority are young and female? Why do transactivists focus almost exclusively on the poor oppressed transwoman and only mention transmen as an afterthought?

Answers on a postcard.

Hmm

Yes, some people certainly enjoy this ideology, both what it affords them, and also being able to talk about it on parenting websites, largely populated by women.

I went to report this post, because it's disgusting, but actually I think it's better than lurkers can see the absolute depths people enthralled in this ideology will stoop to.

Who is protecting the baby? I think it should be illegal frankly. I could not sit by and watch somebody do that to a baby.

I agree.
@snickerdoodle1990 if you and all the other mums bring your husbands along for a few weeks I wouldn't be suprised if the stunning and brave would-be lactater develops a calendar clash.

It might be easier than you having to organise a separate group.

Sorry if this has already been posted. Does anyone know how this tribunal went?

theothercheek.com.au/breastfeeding-expert-jasmine-sussex-tribunal-case-for-trans-breastfeeding-experimental-and-a-dangerous-fetish-starts-monday/

How the hell can it be a 'safe space for everyone' if it isn't a safe space for you, an actual mother with an actual baby who is actually lactating to feed her child? Does she mean a safe space for everyone who does as they are told by men? Not my definition of a safe space.

I hear ya. At least it's Friday!

I was totally chuffed with that development. I hope they’re not too disappointed which the practicalities of that… when DS was 1 he managed to stand on my nipple it was so distorted when he stood up after a reclined side feed. 🤣 Theres a fine line between mangled and full maturity in my experience.

Near future, medium future, far in the future, we don’t know when this could happen

So true. No point ruling things out. Pigs might eventually fly.

What if there are other toddlers present?

There are separate issues and concerns aren’t there?

Do women want to bf in front of men?
Do women want to condone men forcing lactation and making babies suckle from them?
Do they want to normalise any of this?

currently at work and got a lump in my throat with my shoulders round my ears from trying to suppress my screams and wanting to throw my computer out of the window. I'm just speechless at the lengths these individuals will go to. Just stunned.

Oh yes like 'the male contraceptive pill' that has been almost ready for about 25 years now and still no sign...

Im bloody grateful that Helle has all the articles at her fingertips.

Because this sort of thing just makes me want to jump up and down spluttering what the ever loving fuck in an increasingly higher voice that eventually only dogs will hear

I agree @Fannyannie It makes me feel sick to the stomach and I want to cry in frustration and anger at these men and for the poor little babies.

Thank you @Datun and @Helleofabore ; once again providing amazing information to help educate, inform and shine a light on the misogyny displayed by these hateful creatures who only do these things because 'me me me' and achieve absolutely nothing (other than potential to do harm) for the little baby.

I think many women can understand the benefit of a women only group, but also, educating men, can't be a bad thing.

I'm sure it could be managed successfully, maybe mixed to start with and then women only for the last half hour or something.

But I think the issue is this man wasn't there to support his wife, he was there to pretend he could breastfeed his child

edited to add it really is the height of enough that women here, going out of their way to support other women are having to be worried about fetishists and perverts leveraging that very act.

I'm sure the EHRC aren't quite up to speed on this aspect, but it would be useful if they could formulate some kind of policy or protocol once they are

Neverforgetwhothisisfor

i'm sorry, but when I responded to your comment, I was in full outrage mode about the article.

I just want to add I'm sorry for your experience. Women are feel made to feel guilty whatever they do.

But being hardwired to go to the ends of the Earth for the health of your child will be a familiar feeling for most mothers. And fathers, to be fair.

it's never something to beat yourself up over.

There are so many other ways a father can support his new baby and partner
@GlomOfNit
You are correct. The trans identifying male is not comfortable with women taking centre stage anywhere, he cannot accept merely playing a supporting role, he has to force himself into the limelight at every opportunity.

No new mum is going to do that.

trans-affirming virtue signalling might actually rear its head in our own group and we'd have to support this sort of fetishistic crap
@GlomOfNit
Exactly, the breastfeeding trans-identifying man is using a baby as a prop to indulge his sexual fetish.

Oh and men cannot breastfeed. What they secrete if they have certain conditions or are on some medications isn't breastmilk. In the case of the OP's unwelcome guest, it'll be full of artificial hormones and other chemicals (we can't prescribe anything at our group but one of the feeding leads has been known to suggest a client talk to their GP about domperidone. It does have its drawbacks) and not comparable with what a woman could offer.

There is no earthly good reason why a transwoman should attempt to 'breastfeed'. It's certainly not going to be putting the baby's interests first. There are so many other ways a father can support his new baby and partner.

Euch. 🤮
Breast fetish on full display.
“Give me big titties NOW”

This sort of fuckery was why I became a trustee of the local grassroots breastfeeding and babyfeeding support group I help run. (I've since stopped being a trustee but I remain involved.) I was seriously worried at one point that trans-affirming virtue signalling might actually rear its head in our own group and we'd have to support this sort of fetishistic crap. As it is, our group is not women-only - we 'welcome' dads and yes, they do turn up with their partners. Usually with newborns and sometimes they stay a while and decide it's a bit too milky for them and bugger off to a cafe. But it's not at all unusual for a dad to stay the entire session and I do often wonder how that makes some of our clients feel. They may well have turned up assuming it was a female-only environment. They shouldn't have to ask for privacy if they want it, even if we do have a room down the hall we could take them to.

The fact that our group admits men (with a mother and baby) means that if in the future, some trans-identified bloke rocks up, we will find it extremely hard to exclude him on grounds of sex alone. But our group has a mission statement of 'helping parents' and that fathers need to understand the pressures of breastfeeding in order to support their partners. All well and good, until someone like the OP's unwelcome fellow guest turns up.

OP, in your place I would take the leader of the group to task about privacy and that you feel unsafe flashing areas of your body normally covered by underwear with him in the room, and then (because it won't make any difference to one who has taken the koolaid) leave vocally. Can you get any of the other women on side?