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Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding

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snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:40

Hi everyone,

I gave birth a few months ago and had some breastfeeding difficulties, so joined a local breastfeeding support group in my city. It’s basically a place to go for support with feeding, plus meet other mums/have a cuppa and biscuit etc. They also have a FB group. It’s become a nice, friendly place to go once every couple of weeks.

Recently, a trans-woman (male) has joined the group asking for support because their wife has not long had a baby and the trans-woman is wishing to breastfeed too, apparently through use of hormones and domperidone (?) to stimulate supply (I did not realise this was possible at all)

I really really object to this person being present in a group of women who are seeking breastfeeding support, trying to come together in their breastfeeding experience and also revealing themselves intimately

I told the group leader my concerns and she basically told me to shove it - said that the group is a safe space for everyone and they support all who wish to breastfeed and that I shouldn’t come back because I am a bigot

I am horrified as are the other women, where do we all stand and what would you do?

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SternJoyousBee · 02/05/2025 21:07

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:54

Or to expect all the rest of the group to sit listening to that. It could create all sorts of problems esp if the leader won’t actively differentiate advice for fear of being accused of bigotry

And the focus of the group would end up being on the TW rather than on the women who could actually benefit in a material, tangible way from the group

These men take over and dominate the women’s groups they infiltrate.

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:59

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:56

What a pointless comment with careless assumptions

I really don’t think you have an utter clue what you are talking about?!?

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:56

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:55

This is a forum where anyone can voice their opinions / comments / concerns, a lot more discussions need to be had before issues like this are sorted out and things are set in place where everyone is happy and comfortable, there is no point in trying to sweep issues under the carpet and hope they go away

I still see the current situation with regards to trans issues as work in progress,

What a pointless comment with careless assumptions

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:55

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:46

Again thank you for your service @Blueskies25
See what your question elicited.
The lurkers are reading it all and public opinion is forming. Keep going with the questions!

This is a forum where anyone can voice their opinions / comments / concerns, a lot more discussions need to be had before issues like this are sorted out and things are set in place where everyone is happy and comfortable, there is no point in trying to sweep issues under the carpet and hope they go away

I still see the current situation with regards to trans issues as work in progress,

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:54

PetrovaRabbit · 02/05/2025 20:51

It’s also not really fair to expect breast support group leaders to have helpful knowledge and understanding for transwomen hoping to breastfeed. Almost none of what is typical or worrying for a postpartum breastfeeding mother is going to apply. To give an example - how long should a baby be spending on a feed? I would expect a breastfeeding support leader to know the answer to that question and to know when there might be a problem that indicates a new mother should be getting her baby weighed regularly or taking them to the GP or back to the maternity unit of the hospital. None of that knowledge is going to apply to a transwomen trying to breastfeed and it’s not fair to expect a support leader who is quite probably a volunteer to have any of that very niche knowledge.

Or to expect all the rest of the group to sit listening to that. It could create all sorts of problems esp if the leader won’t actively differentiate advice for fear of being accused of bigotry

PetrovaRabbit · 02/05/2025 20:51

It’s also not really fair to expect breast support group leaders to have helpful knowledge and understanding for transwomen hoping to breastfeed. Almost none of what is typical or worrying for a postpartum breastfeeding mother is going to apply. To give an example - how long should a baby be spending on a feed? I would expect a breastfeeding support leader to know the answer to that question and to know when there might be a problem that indicates a new mother should be getting her baby weighed regularly or taking them to the GP or back to the maternity unit of the hospital. None of that knowledge is going to apply to a transwomen trying to breastfeed and it’s not fair to expect a support leader who is quite probably a volunteer to have any of that very niche knowledge.

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:48

PetrovaRabbit · 02/05/2025 20:44

See, this is the point of the Supreme Court decision. The group could legitimately argue that it needs to offer a single sex (NOT GENDER) service in order for breastfeeding women to feel comfortable.
They could also offer a session specifically aimed at transgender parents who breastfeeding, if there was ever enough demand for that. I’d imagine it might be more frequent (though still rare) to have transmen or non-binary mothers who would have their own different difficulties with breastfeeding.
Whatever my own personal thoughts on the idea of transwomen attempting breastfeeding are, there is no denying that their experience is going to be enormously different to that of postpartum mothers breastfeeding. I don’t think there’s any value in peer support between the two groups beyond making the transwomen feel validated, which is absolutely not the responsibility of the postpartum mothers!

Agree,

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:46

PetrovaRabbit · 02/05/2025 20:44

See, this is the point of the Supreme Court decision. The group could legitimately argue that it needs to offer a single sex (NOT GENDER) service in order for breastfeeding women to feel comfortable.
They could also offer a session specifically aimed at transgender parents who breastfeeding, if there was ever enough demand for that. I’d imagine it might be more frequent (though still rare) to have transmen or non-binary mothers who would have their own different difficulties with breastfeeding.
Whatever my own personal thoughts on the idea of transwomen attempting breastfeeding are, there is no denying that their experience is going to be enormously different to that of postpartum mothers breastfeeding. I don’t think there’s any value in peer support between the two groups beyond making the transwomen feel validated, which is absolutely not the responsibility of the postpartum mothers!

Again thank you for your service @Blueskies25
See what your question elicited.
The lurkers are reading it all and public opinion is forming. Keep going with the questions!

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:46

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:44

Read the news - clue 16th April 2025.
Single Sex exception. A breast feeding group is clearly for females. If the organisers want to be inclusive they can but they have to make this clear when advertising.

Did you mean to quote me? I’m not sure we are in disagreement - with each other at least.

PetrovaRabbit · 02/05/2025 20:44

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:15

Fear of being accused of being discriminatory

See, this is the point of the Supreme Court decision. The group could legitimately argue that it needs to offer a single sex (NOT GENDER) service in order for breastfeeding women to feel comfortable.
They could also offer a session specifically aimed at transgender parents who breastfeeding, if there was ever enough demand for that. I’d imagine it might be more frequent (though still rare) to have transmen or non-binary mothers who would have their own different difficulties with breastfeeding.
Whatever my own personal thoughts on the idea of transwomen attempting breastfeeding are, there is no denying that their experience is going to be enormously different to that of postpartum mothers breastfeeding. I don’t think there’s any value in peer support between the two groups beyond making the transwomen feel validated, which is absolutely not the responsibility of the postpartum mothers!

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:44

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:42

On what grounds, and under what legislation?

Read the news - clue 16th April 2025.
Single Sex exception. A breast feeding group is clearly for females. If the organisers want to be inclusive they can but they have to make this clear when advertising.

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:42

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:39

Of course it could, don’t be ridiculous?!?

On what grounds, and under what legislation?

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:41

nocoolnamesleft · 02/05/2025 20:37

Allowing a man in is discriminatory against women with religious and cultural backgrounds that preclude breastfeeding in front of a man. And we have already established that they don't let men in, so excluding a man who happens to erroneously identify as a woman is not discriminatory, as they are not treating him any differently from a non trans identifying man, so they are not discriminating on the basis of transition.

I think you are quite confused by what is going on in the world at the moment, you clearly don’t understand the position that they are in

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:39

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:22

Your comment makes no sense😂

Literally everyone else on this thread knows what I mean. Have you watched the news at all recently? Or maybe pop over to Hansard and read today’s HOL debate. Your approach is past it’s sell by date - didnt you know?

ETA “no debate” is over. Long live a cogent and inherently stable argument!

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:39

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:38

No, it really couldn’t! Not by those with a grip on reality.

Of course it could, don’t be ridiculous?!?

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:38

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:34

Excluding a trans woman who was seeking advice on breast feeding from a breast feeding support group could be seen as discriminatory

No, it really couldn’t! Not by those with a grip on reality.

nocoolnamesleft · 02/05/2025 20:37

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:35

There are grey areas in the legislation that still need to be bottomed out, I presume it will be in time

Allowing a man in is discriminatory against women with religious and cultural backgrounds that preclude breastfeeding in front of a man. And we have already established that they don't let men in, so excluding a man who happens to erroneously identify as a woman is not discriminatory, as they are not treating him any differently from a non trans identifying man, so they are not discriminating on the basis of transition.

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:37

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:35

There are grey areas in the legislation that still need to be bottomed out, I presume it will be in time

Well, pending the repeal of the GRA, we have the Supreme Court ruling on how to operate the EA so that will do for the time being.

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:35

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:29

The bullying of society from TRAs that has convinced groups like this one that it is more important to include men in breastfeeding groups than women who are trying to breastfeed.

There are grey areas in the legislation that still need to be bottomed out, I presume it will be in time

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:34

AzurePanda · 02/05/2025 20:30

@Blueskies25 could you explain how it would be discriminatory to exclude a male from a female only group?

Excluding a trans woman who was seeking advice on breast feeding from a breast feeding support group could be seen as discriminatory

AzurePanda · 02/05/2025 20:30

@Blueskies25 could you explain how it would be discriminatory to exclude a male from a female only group?

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:29

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:23

What bullying are you referring to?

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The bullying of society from TRAs that has convinced groups like this one that it is more important to include men in breastfeeding groups than women who are trying to breastfeed.

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:23

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:20

So bullying works does it? Is that the standard we should be aspiring to in society rather than respect for the rule of law?

What bullying are you referring to?

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:22

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 20:17

You haven’t got the hang of this have you

Your comment makes no sense😂

AlexandraLeaving · 02/05/2025 20:20

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 20:16

Because of fear of being accused of being discriminatory/ not inclusive

So bullying works does it? Is that the standard we should be aspiring to in society rather than respect for the rule of law?