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Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding

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snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:40

Hi everyone,

I gave birth a few months ago and had some breastfeeding difficulties, so joined a local breastfeeding support group in my city. It’s basically a place to go for support with feeding, plus meet other mums/have a cuppa and biscuit etc. They also have a FB group. It’s become a nice, friendly place to go once every couple of weeks.

Recently, a trans-woman (male) has joined the group asking for support because their wife has not long had a baby and the trans-woman is wishing to breastfeed too, apparently through use of hormones and domperidone (?) to stimulate supply (I did not realise this was possible at all)

I really really object to this person being present in a group of women who are seeking breastfeeding support, trying to come together in their breastfeeding experience and also revealing themselves intimately

I told the group leader my concerns and she basically told me to shove it - said that the group is a safe space for everyone and they support all who wish to breastfeed and that I shouldn’t come back because I am a bigot

I am horrified as are the other women, where do we all stand and what would you do?

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DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:57

BobbyBiscuits · 01/05/2025 23:54

What a shitty response from the leader?!
If I were you and others I'd just branch off and set up a new group, for bio women only.
She'll soon just be there on her own with this one bloke. The only way to do anything is just to vote with your feet. I'm sure some of the others must feel the same way you do?

Exactly maybe OP and the other mums will get to relax together too.
Mum friends can be such a support

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RinkyDinkDrink · 01/05/2025 23:55

ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11

The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.

And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.

The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.

OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.

If he was a she then this discussion would not be happening in the first place. He himself has apparently recognised this with his discussion of drug induced lactation.

You have admitted they’re not a woman given your recognition of single sex spaces. Then you’ve rounded it off with a nice patronising backhander to a new mother in a vulnerable situation.

The mental gymnastics needed here are quite something, all for what? Being kind to a man who’s inserting himself into a space where women are physically vulnerable and often in a state of undress. Er, bravo…?

DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:54

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:52

I think your interpretation is incorrect

Agree @LonginesPrime

Here’s a loud more legal definitions

Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding
BobbyBiscuits · 01/05/2025 23:54

What a shitty response from the leader?!
If I were you and others I'd just branch off and set up a new group, for bio women only.
She'll soon just be there on her own with this one bloke. The only way to do anything is just to vote with your feet. I'm sure some of the others must feel the same way you do?

NPET · 01/05/2025 23:54

Ridiculous!
Tbh to me having men in a breastfeeding group sounds a bit like having women in a "let's see who can pee the furthest" competition!

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:52

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:49

No it doesn’t

Sorry, what?

Are you telling me that your version of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 says something different?

That sounds very strange, especially since the Supreme Court also discussed this provision in their judgment (at para 105).

It’s really odd that you’re getting a different version of the GRA from the rest of us - are you sure you refreshed the page??

I think your interpretation is incorrect

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:49

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:35

No it doesn’t, the biological mother is still the biological mother but their partner if it was a trans woman can also be a mother .

A trans man could call themselves a mother or a father if they had a child, whatever they choose

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No it doesn’t

Sorry, what?

Are you telling me that your version of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 says something different?

That sounds very strange, especially since the Supreme Court also discussed this provision in their judgment (at para 105).

It’s really odd that you’re getting a different version of the GRA from the rest of us - are you sure you refreshed the page??

DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:46

snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:29

My gosh. I can’t keep up with this world any more. This reminds me of the time I ordered a lemon in my online shop and a bottle of lemon washing up liquid came instead. 😵‍💫😵‍💫

Don’t worry OP that’s just a convenient definition from under all the others that say a mother is female

DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:44

JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:37

I just don’t think it’s fair OP’s been banned from a space she’s ever right to. She should continue to go along and hold her ground. Like Rosa Parkes once did on a bus during civil rights movement . She wasn’t going to give up her seat to a white person. She had a right to it. Like OP has a right to that group.

Breastfeeding isn’t forever though.
If OP needs the support now, it’s now. She can’t be making a stand for months because the reality is nothing will change.

If OP and others who feel intimidated leave and have their get togethers without men they can do that. They could ask if their local surgery can pop in for breastfeeding help or an occasional if they speak to them.

At ours we sat around drank tea and talked.
Op and others can do that at home and maybe build a nice friendship group of likeminded mothers.

Without men! ( or Transwomen ) staring at everyone’s boobs.

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:41

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 23:32

It doesn't matter, it's the infant who's at the heart of that, and their nutritional needs come first

In a sane world yes, but I still would be wary of disclosing my GC beliefs to a completely captured SS dept if I had a new baby myself.

Yes, they are protected under the EA, etc, but SS could still make trouble for OP in the meantime before they realise they need to leave her alone, and it sounds like OP has enough to deal with without adding additional stresses to the mix.

In any case, obviously OP knows her own local authority and can make her own decision on that.

OP, what you could do instead of reporting directly to SS is to discuss the situation with your HV so that someone with a duty to report is aware, and then any escalation won’t blow back on you.

Lovelyview · 01/05/2025 23:37

ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11

The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.

And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.

The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.

OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.

He's a man

JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:37

Velmy · 01/05/2025 23:27

Tell her she’s not welcome.

She is welcome though, the group has made that perfectly clear. It's OP who isn't welcome.

On what planet does turning up to a support group for anything with the sole purpose of trying to get someone to "cause a scene" (aka causing a scene yourself) help the people who are there for support?

There are better, more mature ways to fight your battles.

I just don’t think it’s fair OP’s been banned from a space she’s ever right to. She should continue to go along and hold her ground. Like Rosa Parkes once did on a bus during civil rights movement . She wasn’t going to give up her seat to a white person. She had a right to it. Like OP has a right to that group.

DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:36

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25

I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,

Social or legal definition:

  • A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.

What about
dictionary definitions
wiki
everything else

Every definition identifies females as mothers

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Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding
SternJoyousBee · 01/05/2025 23:36

There is no benefit to the baby in the male parent attempting to breast feed. At best this is for validation purposes only, at worst it’s a fetish. Men like this can get in the bin

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:35

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:32

That’s lovely, but s12 of the Gender Recognition Act states:

The fact that a person’s gender has become the acquired gender under this Act does not affect the status of the person as the father or mother of a child.

No it doesn’t, the biological mother is still the biological mother but their partner if it was a trans woman can also be a mother .

A trans man could call themselves a mother or a father if they had a child, whatever they choose

Yorkshirelass444 · 01/05/2025 23:35

Cailleach1 · 01/05/2025 22:24

Poor baby

so sad

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:32

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25

I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,

Social or legal definition:

  • A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.

That’s lovely, but s12 of the Gender Recognition Act states:

The fact that a person’s gender has become the acquired gender under this Act does not affect the status of the person as the father or mother of a child.

Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 23:32

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 22:14

Also, depending on what your council’s stance is on gender woo, it might be worth considering contacting social services about the other baby, just so they’re aware.

But that’s a bit of a prickly one, as they might take the transwomen’s side and turn the tables on you for being a bigot, so I’d definitely proceed with caution there.

Honestly, it does feel like the world has gone utterly, utterly mad when there’s more chance that the national press will understand about child safeguarding than the social workers whose job it is to actually protect children.

It doesn't matter, it's the infant who's at the heart of that, and their nutritional needs come first

TheTwinklyPoster · 01/05/2025 23:31

The clue is in the fact they are a trans woman!

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 01/05/2025 23:30

The trans identifying man is the baby's biological father.

Nominative · 01/05/2025 23:30

snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:52

Yes they have a baby and the wife comes too. I just find it so wrong that this is allowed to happen, I feel it totally and utterly undermines your experience as a breastfeeding woman to be honest. I know we could just meet up elsewhere or sort our own group out but I think why should we?! Literally why are we being forced out of a breastfeeding group (which only women can do) by a man??

To be fair, if it's a privately run breastfeeding group then no-one can claim an absolute right to be allowed to attend - it's totally up to the organiser.

snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:29

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25

I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,

Social or legal definition:

  • A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.

My gosh. I can’t keep up with this world any more. This reminds me of the time I ordered a lemon in my online shop and a bottle of lemon washing up liquid came instead. 😵‍💫😵‍💫

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Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 23:29

snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:40

Hi everyone,

I gave birth a few months ago and had some breastfeeding difficulties, so joined a local breastfeeding support group in my city. It’s basically a place to go for support with feeding, plus meet other mums/have a cuppa and biscuit etc. They also have a FB group. It’s become a nice, friendly place to go once every couple of weeks.

Recently, a trans-woman (male) has joined the group asking for support because their wife has not long had a baby and the trans-woman is wishing to breastfeed too, apparently through use of hormones and domperidone (?) to stimulate supply (I did not realise this was possible at all)

I really really object to this person being present in a group of women who are seeking breastfeeding support, trying to come together in their breastfeeding experience and also revealing themselves intimately

I told the group leader my concerns and she basically told me to shove it - said that the group is a safe space for everyone and they support all who wish to breastfeed and that I shouldn’t come back because I am a bigot

I am horrified as are the other women, where do we all stand and what would you do?

Go back, stand your ground, if you can. That leader is the bigot, not you.

MidnightScroller · 01/05/2025 23:28

OP I totally agree with you. To be honest it just feels like the more people are sympathetic and understanding towards transwomen, the more they reveal how insane they are. Taking massive amounts of hormones to dupe their bodies into producing some kind of liquid from their nipple “to give their wife a break”?? Umm ever heard of bottle feeding?? Or is that not natural enough? 🤨
Make no mistake, this is pure fetish, enacted with ignorant and groomed women’s support. Those poor babies, what the hell are they being born into.
I would definitely be following this up as PPs have advised. Given the established risks to children encouraged by TRAs to surgically remove body parts and take hormones to try to pass as the other sex, surely this has to be urgently reviewed as the massive risk to babies from TW doing this.

Darkgreendarkbark · 01/05/2025 23:28

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25

I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,

Social or legal definition:

  • A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.

Oh right! We all stand corrected, now that someone has posted that definition online. Can't argue with facts!

What is a "trans mother"... Is it someone who has transitioned from father to mother?