Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding

I can call myself a pink unicorn. Doesn't make me one.

The OP recognises the gender of the Transwoman. But to have someone there of the male sex, where everyone is feeling vulnerable, isn't right.

You can buy anything if you have enough money. The world has indeed gone mad. That poor baby.

How is a man encouraging a baby to suck his nipple not child abuse?

I believe the OP confirmed that there was a baby.

Anti-trans people often suggest that there should be a 'third space' (ie, male/female gender specific toilets/sports, plus a trans/open option)...isn't that essentially what this is? An inclusive group that people who don't want to share with trans people don't have to attend?

I want to be clear that I'm not defending what this trans person did, or suggesting that it should be 'the norm' or a legal right.

And I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge on a man/trans woman's ability to lactate and how safe that is/isn't to have a useful opinion.

What I believe is that if such a group wants to be inclusive, people who don't share that sentiment should simply leave and find a group more aligned with their views, which I suspect won't be too difficult based on this thread alone. Groups should be clear and upfront about this, of course.

Genuinely trans people are one of the last groups that need bullying out of the few places that are open to accommodating them at the moment. Whether you 'agree' with them or not, many (most?) are more vulnerable than the majority of us.

I am not 'pro trans', but from what I know about the issue and my (admittedly very limited) first hand experience with trans people, I think its far too nuanced a debate to simply say that certain things are 'wrong' or 'right'.

It's all bloody fetish and absolutely bonkers! Sorry you are having to deal with this issue, I'm angry on your behalf!

From a quick internet search, which lines up with what I remember from attending years ago, "Le Leche meetings welcome anyone who is pregnant, nursing, hand expressing, exclusively pumping, combination feeding, providing their own milk or donor mile for a child, or trying to do so. Children, support people, and pregnant and expectant parents are also welcome."

So the transwoman and her wife/mother of their child would definitely be welcome. Le Leche goes by their own guidelines of course, not by who the OP wants there.

It's quite common to get the medication.

I guess the common denominator is mother, though. 🧐

I would have continued to attend the Le Leche meetings. As I mentioned above, when I went, husbands were welcome so it was not a women-only space anyway.

You'd likely have had some of your incorrect assumptions answered and most likely been happy instead of wound up in this unnecessary drama because you weren't allowed to say who else could or not attend a group that doesn't belong to you. When you do that, it's not surprising when the one no longer welcome is you.

I attended Le Leche years ago and my husband came with me and was welcome, as were other husbands. So no, it's not necessarily a women's space only.

Also, it seems a lot of people don't understand that there's a difference between personal opinions that are based on nothing and any actual attempt to learn before arguing. If you don't have actual medical knowledge of trans issues or know someone who is trans personally and closely, chances are good that you have no idea what you're talking about when adamantly arguing.

For ex. there are many different reasons someone's gender and sex don't line up neatly, including those with physical and genetic roots.

Also, it's ignorant to go on and on something transpeople nasty words like "delusional," engaging in a "kink" or a "fetish," for example. Without legitimate sources that back that up, that is vicious bullying of the easiest to pick on amonv us- not a good look.

Similarly, before bleating ignorant opinions, one might do a quick internet search on if men actually can breastfeed or not. The answer is "yes."

An intelligent person learns before taking a strong stand on any issue and realizes that just because something is how they're used to thinking about something does not in any way mean that's the be all, end all of the topic.

Let's raise the IQ of the discussion. Best wishes, all. Be kind.

No there isn't

For me this begs the question, how easily could a woman struggling to breastfeed get these drugs on prescription? As far as I'm aware if you have a low supply you just get told to formula feed! But a biological man can get these drugs to help his "supply"? Absolutely crazy.

You really don’t get it at all do you. It’s like discussing something with a small child

She could do that but there is a possibility that it could be considered discriminatory

Nothing screams male entitlement like intimidating an entire group of vulnerable new mums to get your kicks does it!

It wouldn't surprise me if a breast feeding group was automatically deemed women only. And therefore comes under the remit of the Supreme Court ruling. If there is such a thing.

Personally, I'd love to see it taken to the wire. I'd love to see the entire country witness all the pro trans arguments for why it's narrow minded not to allow men to sit around in breastfeeding groups

A man coming into a group of horrified women at a vulnerable time in their lives, some of whom may for religious or cultural reasons would not be permitted to be there with him in such a forum....and you claim it has nothing to do with misogyny?! 🤣

Pull the other one it has bells on.

I won't be trolled so crack on with having the last word. We got ours in court 👍

Hopefully the OP can organise a new support group specifically for new mothers who are breastfeeding to ensure adequate nutrition for their babies and not to enable biological men to engage with their kink.

That it's a sexual fetish, and not good for the baby is beside the point!

That is beside the point, they were at a breast feeding support group looking for advice on breast feeding and the group organisers made it very clear they were welcome to attend

She was kicked out because a biological man (who identified as a trans woman) joined the new mothers breastfeeding support group and she voiced her concern over this.

This is exactly why she was kicked out.

But she wasn’t kicked out because of a man which is what you had said

They can’t do this naturally. They need to take synthetic hormones along with large doses of supplements and at least one other drug (which I shall not specifically name) in order to induce lactation.

The combination of all of those drugs hormones and supplements makes it not safe for the baby to consume the resulting bodily fluids produced.

This isn’t what is best for any baby. But I highly suspect there is no baby and this person is doing all of this as part of their kink.

Her views didn’t align with the person who kicked her out. There’s no way to tell if every other person participating in the support group agreed with a new mother being kicked out of the group to provide a safe space for a biological man whose likely purpose for joining the group is for better engagement with his kink.

Because this guy is going to need to take a lot of drugs to be able to produce any fluids from his breast tissue and it’s highly unlikely that this fluid will be appropriate or even safe for the baby to consume.