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Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding

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snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:40

Hi everyone,

I gave birth a few months ago and had some breastfeeding difficulties, so joined a local breastfeeding support group in my city. It’s basically a place to go for support with feeding, plus meet other mums/have a cuppa and biscuit etc. They also have a FB group. It’s become a nice, friendly place to go once every couple of weeks.

Recently, a trans-woman (male) has joined the group asking for support because their wife has not long had a baby and the trans-woman is wishing to breastfeed too, apparently through use of hormones and domperidone (?) to stimulate supply (I did not realise this was possible at all)

I really really object to this person being present in a group of women who are seeking breastfeeding support, trying to come together in their breastfeeding experience and also revealing themselves intimately

I told the group leader my concerns and she basically told me to shove it - said that the group is a safe space for everyone and they support all who wish to breastfeed and that I shouldn’t come back because I am a bigot

I am horrified as are the other women, where do we all stand and what would you do?

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BCBird · 02/05/2025 09:33

It is appalling behaviour towards you. Tbf I think whilst some people might genuinely believe this up until the recent court ruling, which should not have needed to happen to state the obvious, maybe people were scared to say anything. Male parters are not allowed. The TW is male. I despair. Will attitudes be different since ruling?

AngelicKaty · 02/05/2025 09:33

snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 22:34

I truly don’t know, but I was googling tonight after this incident and came across lots of forums on reddit etc that suggest people in the trans community do just this. How they get the meds or do it, I really couldn’t say

Yes, it would be interesting to know how trans women are able to legally obtain Domperidone in the UK when the NHS website states:

"Domperidone is an anti-sickness medicine. It helps you to stop feeling or being sick (nausea or vomiting)."
"Domperidone can also be used to treat stomach pain if you're having end of life care (palliative care)."
"It is sometimes used to increase milk supply. Your doctor may prescribe it if you're having trouble breastfeeding but only if other things have not worked.
Domperidone is available on prescription only."
and
"Domperidone is usually only prescribed for a short time (up to 1 week)."

Presumably, GPs are happy to prescribe Domperidone for the rare cases they experience of trans women wishing to breast-feed.

SmoothRoads · 02/05/2025 09:32

This is disgusting!

Breastfeeding is not about the feelings of the parents, but about nurturing a baby. If breastfeeding is not an option or if the mother really needs break, then the answer is formula, not artificial hormones, of which children will get plenty through all the micro-plastics in the water anyway.

shrinkingthiswinter · 02/05/2025 09:32

Remember, nice ladies are naive and wide-eyed and have NO IDEA about any of that horrid stuff men might get up to. The men they know would never do anything like that! They only know lovely men

shrinkingthiswinter · 02/05/2025 09:30

Reddit and other parts of the internet are covered in threads by men (whatever they call themselves) who want to breastfeed for sexual reasons and are very frank about it.

Are we supposed to pretend not to know about that?

It’s so Victorian, this prudery by nice women who pop in here to tell us all that ‘they are just mummies! Like all the other mummies! Be kind!’ and that we are dirty-minded if we notice that there’s a massive perverted subculture around this.

IrritatedEarthling · 02/05/2025 09:26

Domperidone isn't a magic bullet. I am a woman and was prescribed it as my production was very low, and it increased slightly, but not much. It also comes with an increased risk of heart attack, mostly in men.

There are ways for a man to "chest feed", for example with a tube feeder that you sellotape to your nipple and put formula through. I also tried this, it cost upwards of £80 and is incredibly fiddly and I basically failed with it.

If the other women agree with you, just break away on your own.

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 09:24

Lucelady · 02/05/2025 08:44

@Willyoujustbequiet i don't think I've ever read anything on mumsnet that has made me so angry.
The mother in this will be assigned a midwife and health worker so there's no need to access a club for women. It's totally unacceptable.
I don't turn up at a 'ball checking' group because my husbands gone to one.
I'd literally be there for a gawp at the todgers.
It's about time a group of like minded women bearded up and infiltrated a rugby club changing room. See how these men like it. But of course we wouldn't because we know our bounderies. At nearly 6ft I'm sorely tempted.

Love this example. Maybe Man Friday need to extend their activities to ball-checking groups? Or to be renamed more inclusively as "Todger Watch"?

caramac04 · 02/05/2025 09:23

This is so so wrong!
Men cannot breastfeed, surely if they have implants they still haven’t got the tubes and ducts. As for stimulating some secretions???? My mind boggles. Why would anyone put that in their baby’s system?
If that person wants to support the baby’s mother; there are many other ways such as letting mum sleep, providing nourishing food and drinks; doing the housework etc.
Is there anything these men don’t want to steal from us. I find it incredibly sad that this rubbish is being pandered to and frankly makes me more gc- and angry.

tobee · 02/05/2025 09:21

If we're talking about "moving with the times" how about moving with the times now that the Supreme Court judgement has been made?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 02/05/2025 09:18

Other matters apart, I’d be very concerned a) about the drugs that the baby would presumably be imbibing with any milk produced, and b) would these drugs have been prescribed by our cash-strapped NHS??

Ohthatsabitshit · 02/05/2025 09:18

Referring to yourself as a mother is one thing, making a small baby suck your nipples is quite another.

snickerdoodle1990 · 02/05/2025 09:17

Oldermum84 · 02/05/2025 08:50

It is making you uncomfortable, yes. But I don't see how you can speak for all the other members of the group and know how they feel. If I were one of them I would be welcoming. Maybe not everyone in the group is as closed minded as you...?

That’s fair enough if that’s what you personally feel comfortable with. But that’s kind of the point - it’s not just me and what I think, I’m just one little person in the world. A little fish in a tiny pond. Plenty of other women in the group are equally uncomfortable, and plenty of other posters have stated that they would feel uncomfortable too.

It is possible to be both open minded but find something wrong or uncomfortable.

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Puttinginthemiles · 02/05/2025 09:17

Oldermum84 · 02/05/2025 08:50

It is making you uncomfortable, yes. But I don't see how you can speak for all the other members of the group and know how they feel. If I were one of them I would be welcoming. Maybe not everyone in the group is as closed minded as you...?

If no males were allowed in the group, then no women would be made to feel uncomfortable.

Having just given birth is one of the most vulnerable times in a woman's life. Women deserve to have a single sex spaces to receive breastfeeding support. And if there's a risk of women feeling awkward, embarrassed, uncomfortable or unsafe because a man wants to barge in, just because you dont care, the rest of us can. And do.

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 09:13

SparklyPinkHairband · 02/05/2025 09:09

"move on with the times"?

Have a little think, is every trend worth following? Is every new invention necessarily good because it's new?

Just some food for thought.

Men who wish they were women are not women and are not mothers.

I never said they were women but the can refer to themselves as mothers if they wish, it doesn’t matter that you or I don’t see them as mothers in the traditional sense

TattedBarley · 02/05/2025 09:11

I am not massively GC, pretty tolerant around transgender people. But even I find this so wrong. The thought actually makes my skin crawl. Totally agree with @Higgeldypiggeldy35 - it’s personal desire for gender affirmation rather than in the best interests of the baby. The fact you’ve been kicked from the group for raising concerns is astonishing, I would seriously be contacting the local council and every news outlet I could find.

HermioneWeasley · 02/05/2025 09:10

@snickerdoodle1990 soery to hear about your experience

if the group is described as women only then they can’t let him in. If it’s not, theres not much you can do though I agree with all the people saying a social services alert because what he’s describing is child abuse.

if you have a male partner I would be tempted to bring him to the next meeting because if they’re allowing one male in, they have to allow all males in.

SparklyPinkHairband · 02/05/2025 09:09

Blueskies25 · 02/05/2025 00:47

Nonsense, Who are you decide what another does or does not find humorous, also it’s an emoji not an imogi 😂

Move with the times or you will be left behind, a trans woman can refer to themselves as a mother, it doesn’t really matter whether you agree with it or not

"move on with the times"?

Have a little think, is every trend worth following? Is every new invention necessarily good because it's new?

Just some food for thought.

Men who wish they were women are not women and are not mothers.

CuttedPearPie · 02/05/2025 09:09

Maybe we should start staging mass sign ups to trans support groups and just barge on in

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/05/2025 09:07

Velmy · 02/05/2025 01:28

And this support group is not legally recognized as single sex, so - as the organizers have seemingly made clear - all are welcome.

And legally that means all.

If it is not single sex, it is mixed sex. Allowing one 'impregnating parent' to join means they must allow all impregnating parents. There's a reason these groups usually don't allow dads - if they let this man in, they must also let in all the other dads.

JeremiahBullfrog · 02/05/2025 09:04

If she's calling you a bigot, I think you'd be well in your rights to tell her what she is: a delusional bootlicking lunatic.

Lucelady · 02/05/2025 09:04

@Oldermum84 the OP is not being closed minded. This is a very specific female function that cannot be replicated by cross sex hormones or performance.
You might be happy to welcome this TW but it should not exclude a natal women seeking help because he trumps her.
There is no good reason for a natal male to be there. He is obviously not suffering from body dysphoria if he still has the ability to father a child.
Fwiw I have a trans family member and this is unacceptable behaviour for genuine trans people trying to go about their business. It smacks of someone who is a transactivist and is looking to cause distress.

Lovelyview · 02/05/2025 09:04

Oldermum84 · 02/05/2025 08:50

It is making you uncomfortable, yes. But I don't see how you can speak for all the other members of the group and know how they feel. If I were one of them I would be welcoming. Maybe not everyone in the group is as closed minded as you...?

In the words of the inimitable Magdelen Berns 'You are so open minded your brain's fallen out'. This is a fetishist getting off on being with a group of women who are breastfeeding. Stop pretending that men can be women. They can't.

nutmeg7 · 02/05/2025 09:03

Oldermum84 · 02/05/2025 08:50

It is making you uncomfortable, yes. But I don't see how you can speak for all the other members of the group and know how they feel. If I were one of them I would be welcoming. Maybe not everyone in the group is as closed minded as you...?

Or so open minded you will believe any shit anyone tells you? Even that a man who fathered a child is now a woman? And his desire to breastfeed is because he’s now a woman? And not because he’s a man with a lactation fetish? And not because he’s exhibiting controlling behaviour around the mother of his child.

I suggest a bit more reasoned thinking, a bit more open eyed cynicism, and a bit less believing in any idea that comes along so you can pat yourself on the back for being so open-minded that you lose your ability to think.

aCatCalledFawkes · 02/05/2025 09:01

Salacia · 02/05/2025 08:55

Sorry to nitpick but it’s safe to take paracetamol and eat soft cheese while breastfeeding so anybody providing this advice is wrong!

The breastfeeding network (https://www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk/drugs-factsheets) has really helpful factsheets about medication while breastfeeding. Women not getting prescribed perfectly safe drugs they need (or being too scared to take them/made to feel like they should turn them down) is a real frustration of mine. It muddies the water about medications that genuinely aren’t safe. Plus if you’re struggling with pain, depression etc etc then it’s naturally going to make breastfeeding more difficult and potentially contribute to women feel like they have to stop before they want to.

The risk with soft cheeses etc is mostly related to the effects of a potential listeria infection on the developing fetus so again, not an issue for breastfeeding.

I didn’t want somebody to stumble across your post and think that they’re doing something wrong.

Yes agreed. Many women are prescribed painkillers that are safe for breastfeeding post c-section and paracetamol is always the base drug for it before you go on to anything stronger if needed. I breastfed both of my children and more recently supported my SIL breastfeeding, both of us used paracetamol correctly.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 02/05/2025 08:57

Domperidone is a prescription only medicine. Either the bloke is buying illegal supplies on the dark web or getting a prescription from a dodgy doctor. It's licensed for treating nausea & vomiting or abdominal pain in palliative care.