Banned from breastfeeding group for objecting to males breastfeeding

It depends what you mean by “ succeed in breastfeeding”. You are assuming it’s about feeding the baby. But in fact it’s a sexual fetish, so he has already succeeded by attending the group, making all the women there uncomfortable and forcing the whole group to centre his needs.

Men who do this post photos of themselves feeding their baby online etc . It s a whole porn sub genre.

They will get attention from their family and friends by complaining how tried they are from chest feeding, they will demand that their partner does extra work so they can rest, they will bask in the glory of everyone telling them how wonderful and brave and stunning they are.

Thats what success is about . It’s actually nothing to do with the baby - baby and the woman who carried the baby , gave birth and actually feeds the baby are just props.

My god just by reading this thread again since last night I'm so fucking glad I was born in the 80s......its bonkers that a MAN thinks HE can succeed in successful nipple feeding.... there are going to be some seriously fucked up kids in the future. Hate this cotton wool nation we have turned into.

So ladies I think this is a slam dunk! I don't comment on this board because I've been shouted down but I'm a very angry WOMAN at the moment.

I'm not transphobic, a TERF or bigot. I've navigated a FTM child for nearly a decade and I'm sick of this illogical nonsense.
You feel more a woman? fine have the surgery and understand genital pain. Put your dress on, we don't care. Want to hide from the male gaze? Not a problem with your fellow females, because as a csa/sa surviver there's a lot of shit males out there looking at your tits. But if you think after the Cass report told you to leave our kids alone you now need another axe to grind you're going to find arsy women like me telling you to fuck off.

This post has made it on to Twitter. If you're not going back OP, will you name and shame?

@Blueskies25 you didn't answer my reasonable questions. I asked you what skin you have in this game? My ftm is hoping to have children and would not want to expose their post partum breasts to anyone not biologically female (I asked them!). Bored by an argument you cannot win? Shame on you for not acknowledging it's not all about one individual's wants and desires. It's a group not a one person show. OP if you need a advocate I'm willing to help with my Oxford law degree. I'm fuming for you.

Nope, just got bored of the thread, the same / similar comments / arguments were just being made over and over again

@Blueskies25 If your only answer to my question (how are TW wanting to chest feed different from other males wishing to publicly act out inappropriate fetishes at the expense of others?) is to send an emoticon of derision, I think you’ve lost the argument.

Are there tests done on the “milk” I fed my last baby 5 years ago my opinion may be outdated, but was told very healthy diet no medication ect coffee/tea how are these parents feeding there baby pumped full of hormones and no one is battling an eyelid at what’s going on.
I had a friend desperately wanted to feed her baby and was told no because she took medication this seems vastly unfair.
I know people above have mentioned alcohol above but I’m presuming a feeding mother would not be drinking 24/7 and it’s a small occasional amount needing filtering not constantly and we are working on the presumption that something in the male breast is actually filtering this secretion as the mothers breast would but how can you actually know?
I agree with others and feel this is fetish levels and the child is being used to satisfy them and it’s not in the best interest of the child.
I’m not Trans phobic feel these people should be able to wear what they like and cut of there own body parts if need be but there not just effecting there own body in this case it’s a child’s nutrition and developmental needs. What says what this parent wants to do with its body should be able to effect an innocent at the start of there life this could effect anything from nutrition to mental health in the long term why should this be allowed when there is no actual benefit to the baby. I don’t think fed is best in this case and a bottle of formula would have less nasties in.

On that basis, is it illegal to exclude a man who identifies as a three year old from a toddlers playgroup? Or a person with a disability fetish from accessing services for the genuinely disabled?

If someone with all their limbs turned up at an amputee clinic demanding treatment, they’d be be told to sod off and stop wasting everyone’s time - or possibly, if people were feeling kind, they would be immediately referred to Psych.

This is no different. TW saying they want to chest feed should be referred to MH, not indulged at the expense of genuine service users.

So, I’m going to start by saying that the research that we carried out took weeks, FOI requests and a lot of very dedicated volunteers working extremely hard. I am not going to diminish their work by just dumping it all on here. I will in good faith share links to three “Same-sex accommodation” policies with you. You can, if you wish, spend your own time and energy finding the policies from the other 59 London trusts, however I will point out that they are all the same: they all allow trans patients to self-id into whatever space they wish, making a mockery of “single sex”.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/gender_reassignment_andor_transg_115/response/2693875/attach/3/Delivery%20of%20Same%20Sex%20Accommodation%20Policy.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/gender_reassignment_andor_transg_83/response/2718178/attach/2/Delivering%20Same%20Sex%20Accommodation%20Policy.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

https://www.cnwl.nhs.uk/application/files/6415/8108/4626/Dignity_Privacy_Same_Sex_Accommodation_Policy.pdf

You wouldn't feed it to a baby, though. Yerch!

Yes, so would I.

No it wouldn't. You just want to waste women's time and energy which I suspect is your main purpose on this thread.

I’m really shocked that needing a lift to a breastfeeding support group was used as a reason for a man to attend a breastfeeding support group. As someone who needed a lot of support to bf their first child I would have been beyond horrified to find a man present and would have left instantly.

If you would that would be helpful

Oh, I wouldn’t go there. There are a lot of us who have been reading NHS policies, and it all points to exactly what @KnottyAuty has said. We have all the receipts. Would you like us to share every single London NHS Trust “single-sex” (but actually single gender, ie mixed sex) policy with you?

If you had been reading a lot on NHS policy recently then it’s very surprising that I had to correct you on your completely inaccurate ‘facts’

I don't get why one or two people on this thread are still pushing for natal males to have rights over females. The upset and offence to vulnerable women and girls has to be stopped. When they're told they are wrong they come out with personal insults about education and interlect. If they have bothered to read the thread they would see that doctors and scientists have responded. Transactivists do their selves a disservice by trying to bully women in this way. We have equal rights under the law and protected rights (I'm a women and a mother)
I see very few transmen pushing for access to male only spaces, they go about their business and only ask for a third space loo. I put my cards on the table @blueskies, how about you? Are you a transperson or are you a man on here to bully women? Because even a mother of a trans adult would not want their dignity being compromised like this.

It was one of the Stonewall pyramid scheme requirements to remove female words. I’m aware that a handful were saved from this by local staff resisting. But if you can produce links to a dozen or more I’d be very surprised. (Hint I’ve been reading a lot of NHS policy recently)

@Blueskies25

You seem far too concerned with appearing ‘respectful’ towards a group of people who potentially are acting in abusive ways to infants than actually describing accurately what the needs of those infants are. Your posts don’t seem to be centring the people who need the absolute focus in this issue at all - those infants first, and their mothers who gave birth to them who need breastfeeding support second.

You don’t seem to have a working understand of the recent Supreme Court judgement, yet are on this thread confidently telling people they are wrong. While also telling others they are wrong in their statements which are quickly shown to be correct. Yet you persist in denigrating others about the information in their posts and ‘respect’ you have shown you personally cannot model towards others. You save that respect it seems for a group of male people who have a belief about themselves that they are female.

You don’t even seem to have any depth of understanding about the group you are centring in your posts. From you posts on this thread, I would suggest it is you who are being shown to the one who needs to educate themselves. While also developing an understanding the concept of respect.

The leader of this breastfeeding group is aiding and abetting child abuse.

Not to mention, she's allowing a grown man to use breastfeeding mothers as props in his sexual fetish.

If some men want to support and their partners want them to be present, they could set up unisex groups and advertise the sessions for couples.
Sessions for mothers are for females only as only females are mothers.

Yes, I agree.

Needing a lift from your male partner because you’ve had a c-section doesn’t mean the man has to attend the session too!

I think it’s just common sense. Surely people should realise that lots of women aren’t going to be comfortable in a breastfeeding support group attended by men?

In the 20-ish years I’ve been involved in breastfeeding support plenty of male partners have dropped off c-section mums and their babies, and then left and collected them at the end of the session. Anytime male partners want to have help with supporting the mums we’ll chat with them in a separate area, but they don’t stay in the main group. Supporting new mums struggling with latch & position often means whole boobs out, and most women aren’t comfortable doing that if there are various men in the room.

So no. Men don’t belong in breastfeeding groups.

Because people disagree with you neither makes them lacking in intelligence or education. I disagree with you and am educated to Masters level and have considered doing a PhD.
It is very lazy to call people stupid rather than managing to win an argument or just agreeing to disagree with them.