Does anyone else feel disheartened?

Are you not telling me because you know I'll laugh at you?

I'm laughing myself at the idea you could read my posts to you and still somehow think I have any respect or concern whatsoever for what you think of me, and that I'm motivated by terror of your disapproval.

Did you hear Michael Jackson died?

The mask has slipped, I'm afraid. "Dress how you please" sounds impressive but that isn't backed up by reality, where Gender Non Conformity is punished wherever it looms, the SC ruling will only make that worse.

Not even JK Rowling can be bothered to pretend she doesn't hate our guts these days.

"You don't treat a mental health condition with hormones & surgery."

They do, though, and for good reason: it's the only thing that somewhat works. Everything else has been tried, with zero result. Hormones and surgery do provide relief to at least those suffering from gender dysphoria. It's literally better than nothing, hence why it's done.

Treating your paraphilia or body dysmorphia so you literally feel comfortable in your own skin isn't eliminating you it's providing relief from your distress. Unfortunately the first step to treating your problem is for you to acknowledge that you have a problem but as you still seem to be in denial it's not going to be easy.

Edited to add that I see you now are trying to move the goalposts again. I replied to your post regarding "elimination" but now you changed it to "being chased out of society"

But Esses isn't calling for an elimination of trans people. He has literally not written those words, just as the Declaration literally didn't say it.
Why is a bar on males taking female prizes or using female spaces - spaces granted to females because of our vulnerability as against males - an elimination?

But Esses isn't calling for an elimination of trans people. He has literally not written those words, just as the Declaration literally didn't say it.
Why is a bar on males taking female prizes or using female spaces - spaces granted to females because of our vulnerability as against males - an elimination?

Because they don't actually want us to see gender identity, they want to abuse and subjugate and control. The power is the point.

1. He's right. We don't encourage anorexics to diet and we don't encourage people who think they shouldn't have legs to get them amputated. When Rachael Dolezal claimed to be Black, she was criticised for appropriation, not encouraged.
2. Nothing in that post suggests that men should be prevented from wearing dresses and makeup. The problem isn't men wearing feminine-coded clothing, it's men claiming to be women and demanding admission to women's spaces.

Then don't tell me trans people aren't being chased out of society

The others don't have multiple classic comedies to their names. I'd say, based on that, that Glinner is a successful writer.

James Esses is 100% correct. By definition anyone who suffers from the delusion that they are "trans" is suffering from a mental health condition whether it is body dysmorphia, internalised homophobia, autogynephilia or whatever. You don't treat a mental health condition with hormones & surgery. You certainly don't affirm the patient in their delusion.

I'm nabbing this argument.

Also, something the Omnicause-type of leftists like to say is that "I don't see race" is a racist statement because those who don't see race don't see racism. And they have a point: if we don't see that Black people's hair is really really tightly-curled and needs to be managed in specific ways that white people's hair doesn't, we end up writing school uniform policies that discriminate against Black girls.

Yet the exact same people want us to stop seeing sex and instead see gender identity (how, given that it's invisible?) and call us transphobic when we say that denying sex is sexist.

Yes it's so obvious.
Yes apparently they're the victims.

It's DARVO on steroids.

I expected angry controlling men to argue their case and not reflect, it's natural for them. Also, the 'be kind' supporters were never instantly going to absorb the truth they previously ignored.
However, the ruling stands - biology is real and matters.
Men can pick whatever label they like, they are men.

As I said, its about subjugating, threatening, and abusing women.

^ images like this pop up every day

Have a lurk on TRA Reddit, these weird, feverish arguments are par for the course. It’s a bit scary, really.

Ok and I raise you

Anyway...
No, I'm not disheartened! It's beginning to sink in that we've won. The other side is in the bunker of denial, surrounded by cronies. Every day, my heart grows lighter.

It is brilliant.

Stuff like this turns up every day. James Esses isn't some nobody.

It's not about winning an argument, per se. It's about subjugating women.

So even more so than at the beginning of the thread, I'm disheartened because I can't grasp how any of this elimination stuff is remotely arguable and it's not possible to have a sensible conversation with a movement that claims something this illogical.

Are you not telling me because you know I'll laugh at you?

It's Glinner isn't it? lol. At least the others are successful.

And to follow on because I really struggling to find any hint of logic in the TRA insistence that trans is being eliminated: if there were any 'elimination' going on, it would be that by allowing males to use the sex-based rights of females, female sex-based rights are eliminated, because females can't use them to bolster their position in a patriarchy if males can use them too. They become unisex rights.
Which makes no sense.

OP, if you were feeling disheartened, I hope this thread is demonstrating why you've no need to be.

The rage and hatred shown by men on here, unfolding in real time and directed at women who dare to voice disagreement, is a perfect illustration of why our arguments were correct - and also of the fact that we've won.

The more men rage against women's rights, the more they demonstrate why we need them.