Does anyone else feel disheartened?

Unfortunately those invested in providing affirmative care to patients suffering from the "trans" delusion have zero incentive to do any research to prove or disprove the value of such treatment. In fact quite the contrary is true of all the private doctors.

This is what I was thinking, that's a kindness to someone who isn't capable of recognising reality, but I couldn't think of any other circumstances. I think even the people who think they're Napoleon are encouraged to think through the logical reasons they can't be.

I know this is pedantic and I don't want to derail the thread with my struggles but aside from the fact that I still don't see any calls for elimination, I also don't see why males however they identify or present or however they want to live their lives, think females should allow female sex-based rights to be become unisex rights.
And why females having sex-based rights is an elimination.
It's obviously not. Because trans people are covered by the Gender Reassignment clauses of the Equality Act, so have their own rights. So why can't transwomen use the rights that they have under the Act, in addition to the rights and structural societal power they have as males to increase the numbers of their own spaces and prizes?

If that unattributed screen shot is typical of the research you are basing your hypothesis on then it just confirms my point that there is no robust evidence of the value of hormones & surgery to treat those with the "trans" delusion.
n=7 FFS That's just anecdata. The Tavistock Clinic treated 9K patients but even the small amount of research they published was so deply flawed as to be useless because there were no controls or anything other than continuous affirmation of the patient's delusion.

It’s just silly hyperbole.

Ah, true enough. I only have anecdotal evidence. I do wish proper studies were done on the matter.

Generally it's not encouraged to counter or argue with a dementia patient AFAIK, so as not to cause distress. But that's a very different scenario.

Ha @ArabellaScott🤣

She’s making that point effectively in a pithy, amusing way. Correct, and funny.

Sorry - a response to Eresh's post about extinction bursts.

It would mean that a lot of people couldn't go out in public any more. We need more public toilets, not fewer.

Yes. We can certainly see the peckers going full tilt.

Genuinely asking: are there any other circumstances where a person believes something that is demonstrably false, where the treatment is to encourage the false belief, and get others to pretend to believe it too? The end stages of dementia, possibly, if the patient believes they're young and happy again?

Your lived experience is what scientistd call "an anecdote". Robust evidence, in the scientific sense, means peer-reviewed research into a statistically-significant sample of a population, with steps taken to eliminate or adjust for confounding factors.

There’s a concept called “extinction burst” in psychology, it’s quite helpful.

While extinction, when implemented consistently over time, results in the eventual decrease of the undesired behavior, in the short term the subject might exhibit what is called an extinction burst. An extinction burst will often occur when the extinction procedure has just begun. This usually consists of a sudden and temporary increase in the response's frequency, followed by the eventual decline and extinction of the behavior targeted for elimination. Novel behavior, or emotional responses or aggressive behavior, may also occur.[2]
For example, a pigeon has been reinforced to peck an electronic button. During its training history, every time the pigeon pecked the button, it will have received a small amount of bird seed as a reinforcer. Thus, whenever the bird is hungry, it will peck the button to receive food. However, if the button were to be turned off, the hungry pigeon will first try pecking the button just as it has in the past. When no food is forthcoming, the bird will likely try repeatedly. After a period of frantic activity, in which their pecking behavior yields no result, the pigeon's pecking will decrease in frequency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(psychology)

My lived experience is robust evidence. That's why you ignore it, preferring to write your own. It would humanise me too much.

I didn't see the court suggesting people were eliminated?
How would any people be eliminated in the UK?
Even if all public loos were closed to everyone, it wouldn't kill anyone?

So now it's just straight-up erasure and empty promises of "it will all just go away"?

Do you know why transition is the only recommended and ethical treatment for gender dysphoria? It's because the med.establishement tried everything else for a few decades first: incarceration, gaslighting, brainwashing and electric shocks. Some patients had over 60 shock treatment sessions each. They stopped doing this when they realised none of it was "curing" us.

Your ignorant platitudes belong with that rubbish, "doctor"

Bingo. And also driven by woman hatred.

There is no robust evidence that using hormones & surgery gives any better outcome than treatment that doesn't affirm the delusion.

So if the argument that wanting female-only spaces and prizes is 'eliminating' transwomen, we are 'eliminating' males by insisting on them? So is this more of a type of incel argument? That women's rights have 'gone too far' and men have no chances in society any more?

She's criticising the men who claim womanhood and making the point that what you wear doesn't make you a woman.

Being upset by men fetishising our bodies is 'hating your guts'?

Damn, what do we call those same blokes calling for women to be raped by girldick and die in grease fires? Or is that just robust debate?

No one is "chasing you out of society". We might chase you out of the ladies, but you shouldn't be there anyway and should use the gents like all the other people born with penises.

I'm old enough to remember Boy George and Kurt Cobain wearing dresses. I saw Nicky Wire on stage in a dress with the Manics. No one is telling you not to dress how you like.

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