Does anyone else feel disheartened?

I'm not interested in a dick measuring contest. That's the point.

I came here to offer an opinion on why the world isn't rushing to agree with your awesome victory

Like the men who rush to sign up on here to tell us how important sex is to them, we know. We know you don't like it. Do you think that has not been clearly communicated to us over the past checks notes six years, or even a bit longer? Were you worried that after years of fighting in courts, abuse, death threats, public pissing displays, avoidable attacks in toilets and prisons, stolen sports medals, cancellations and erasure, we had not got the memo?

But what you don't seem to have grasped is that we don't care what you think (as long as you stay on the right side of the law), but for you, everything rests on what we think. You can hate the law all you want and think and say what you like about it, but as long as you abide by it, that doesn't matter.

You, on the other hand, want to have your self image reflected back at you by everyone you see and everywhere you go. You think of yourself a certain way and you think that obligates everyone else to act as though they think the same as you, no matter the detriment to themselves and their safety, dignity and equal opportunity, or even just their right not to see you as you see yourself.

That's why you're fighting so hard to change our minds, because with no legal backing, and clearly no intent to campaign for third spaces, all you can really hope for is to break the law and get away with it because you have our approval because we think the way you want us to. It matters to you what we think. It is everything.

You need us to think of you as a woman/man (I'm not clear what sex you are) because your woman/manhood is not a material reality, but dependent on external reflection and validation. Otherwise, it would be enough for you to dress and present as you please and use a third space. But it isn't.

And depending on external validation is not an authentic way to live. Nor is refusing to accept yourself for who you are and demanding to be treated as that which you are not.

Is that not a form of erasure?

I'm not here for an argument, just pointing you back to the topic of this thread.

I feel like a Pinata wondering why none of your sticks seem to be long enough.

None of your juniors, only Actual Senior ones please.

I assumed it was about being ignored. That doesn't go down well with grandiose, self centred narcissists.

I'm beginning to think we're being ineptly castigated by the TRA equivalent of that Japanese soldier left behind on the remote island with nothing to do but stew in his narcissistic delusions for thirty years..

Is there some kind of top trumps of Psychiatrists I've Been Assessed By game on Reddit?

I know this is pigeon chess, but let's just spread that out a bit for any sane lurkers around.

The GI pov being shared: You don't see trans people as human.

Evidence: the supreme court has found the law gives women rights to single sex spaces, to be distinct as a sex class from men with transgender identities, and you won't sacrifice those rights quietly and go on being abused and subordinated by a very wide range of men with a very wide range of agendas and submit to their superiority over you. In fact you insist they need their own spaces created to meet their needs instead of giving them yours.

The women's pov being shared: You don't see women as human.

You show an absolute disregard and lack of interest for any consequences or impact on women from men in their spaces that led to having to fight this through the courts. (Much evidence available). A view that it is terrible for men to suffer risk and indignity but not women. A view that women having rights to say no is an appalling failing. A view that there is no way to meet the needs of these men without hurting women and it is evil of women to resist this so it's no wonder everyone hates them. And you can't see the pictures women have shared threatening to kill women, and won't acknowledge they exist, never mind that they are evidence of very wrong behaviour.

I wonder if Naomi's free to give us a quick view on which one would stand up in court?

Does the psychiatrist help you with the dysphoria?

What do you mean @ArabellaScottit works on Reddit and Bluesky!!

This isn't quite the winning argument you think it is, MBD.

Perfectly put. And yes about the name.

True, but the message was that if men couldn't use women's toilets they were being eliminated. This was the point I was referring to.
Men don't need access to women's loos to exist. No one would stop existing due to not having public loos (we'd just all wet ourselves).
(I do agree we need more loos in public spaces & need them regularly myself as not great at holding!).

Agree @PrettyDamnCosmic

How does that odd non sequitur relate to @ArabellaScott’s post about dementia?

I've been assessed by a actual senior psychiatrist, rather than an online bully pretending to be one, and he didn't mention any of that. I'm sure he'd be pretty fascinated by you though.

And again, this is why everyone thinks you're weird and dislikes your transphobia

I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised, though. Medically transitioning is a massive upheaval in someone's life, so unfortunately those who were already fragile are likely not to manage to deal with it well. I've also seen too many people engage in the medical process when their life was still reeling from their coming out; predictably, once the initial euphoria abated, they found themselves in an even worse place that before. Not to mention that the results of the medical transition may not hold up to the expectations...

Unfortunately your thought processes seem quite disturbed. This might be an expression of your underlying psychiatric disorder or it might be as a result of your treatment but the paranoia is off the scale.

The more men rage against women's rights, the more they demonstrate why we need them.

That. ^^

Add that to the optics of someone here to shout at women for having legal rights while calling himself 'Daddy'.

I'm also enjoying ticking off the acquired and DARVO'ed phrases as they come. Mask slipping, etc. It's all learned from women. And then misapplied because it's not understood or linked to anything beyond 'here's words that are supposed to be impressive and convincing'. I suppose it's a back handed compliment.

I get no facts or any real coherent reason for having invaded this thread so far, just a lot of incoherent ranting that still has nothing to do with women having legal protections, ones they had all along that were illegally and wrongly stepped on, and which did women a lot of damage in the years it took them to get a court to prove that their rights did in fact entitle them to say no to men.

No matter how cross men are that women have boundaries they can't trample, the law still stands. No matter how much you rant and carry on, women here can't change the judgment. And why would they want to?

I spy with my little eye, a big fat dose of DARVO.

You clearly don't understand how medical research is done. It's done by collecting data not anecdotes A single case report if unusual enough might warrant further investigation but is meaningless in itself.

JKR is also highlighting something that's actually quite worrying about these men: they think that wearing lingerie etc is what makes a woman a woman. That we are like shop mannequins, that we exist to have clothes put on us, that our womanhood is defined by our clothing choices, making us a kind of dress-up doll and not full human beings.

Judging by Daddy's disdain for JKR's comment, I'm guessing that it struck rather too close for comfort for him. Does he recognise himself as one of the men in lingerie that she speaks of?

I came here to offer an opinion on why the world isn't rushing to agree with your awesome victory, and you have all affirmed my opinion wonderfully - it's not just that you don't see trans people as human, you are incapable of it.

Because, for many of them, the women's space is the prize

I know suicide isn’t the only metric to judge the efficacy of an intervention but aren’t there statistics that show suicide rates of trans people pre and post puberty blockers/hormone therapy are unchanged?