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Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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ItsCoolForCats · 01/05/2025 17:32

I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

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MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 20:11

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 20:10

No one wants to eliminate 'trans'. It's about eliminating MALES from female spaces. You don't get to relabel or rebadge males a 'trans' and think that makes you a sacred group. As much as you want to eliminate and erase females as a group and as a vulnerable sex class.

Quit your fanciful gaslighting

Seethlaw · 03/05/2025 20:10

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 03/05/2025 19:49

I can't agree with that.

Firstly, many adolescents if left untreated with "gender affirming care" grow out of their trans identity.

Secondly, it might relieve the distress of believing that you are Napoleon Bonaparte to be dressed up in 19th century French clothing and exiled to St Helena, but we don't do that. Why not? Surely it would be the kind thing to do?

"Firstly, many adolescents if left untreated with "gender affirming care" grow out of their trans identity."

Very true. Personally, I think hormones and surgeries should only be available for adults, and not even young ones.

"Secondly, it might relieve the distress of believing that you are Napoleon Bonaparte to be dressed up in 19th century French clothing and exiled to St Helena, but we don't do that. Why not? Surely it would be the kind thing to do?"

Well, there's the physical impossibility: it's just not possible to send those people to St Helena and take care of them there.

More seriously: as far as I know, delusions don't generally appear in such an isolated form. They are usually part of a greater disorder, and it's this disorder which needs treating, because of its immense impact on the quality of life of the sufferer. Fighting the delusion then becomes only one arm of the strategy in fighting the illness.

Gender dysphoria, on the contrary, seems to come alone. It's not part of a greater pattern. It's not just one symptom of a more invasive illness. So it's not comparable.

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 20:10

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 20:02

Russell Brand is a TRA. And pretty standard of one.

Russell Brand is a rapey-wapey creepy-crawly and he supports the SC ruling and the sports bans

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 20:10

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 12:55

Nope. Women's spaces is the vehicle, trans elimination has been the stated goal of Gender Critical / TE rad fem thinking for decades. You only got out the fringes because religious conservatives saw you as useful fodder for their agenda.

No one wants to eliminate 'trans'. It's about eliminating MALES from female spaces. You don't get to relabel or rebadge males a 'trans' and think that makes you a sacred group. As much as you want to eliminate and erase females as a group and as a vulnerable sex class.

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 20:07

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 12:51

No-one believes your fairy story that trans people are insane bullies, tantruming, intimidating and sulking their way through life. The more you denigrate, dehumanise and vilify us, the more obvious who is being harmed and who is doing the harming becomes.

The Supreme Court ruling affirmed our status as a minority demographic, and worthy of protection by UK society. You might be less confused by people's reaction to your constant monstering of us if you respected that.

Oh I see, so the scum of your society didn't threaten to burn women alive, to skin us, to rape us with barbed wire baseball bats and DIDN'T URINATE ON A FEMINIST MONUMENT 2 WEEKS AGO, right? Right? The are the vile despicable, disgusting slimy scum that is your section. You're all what you hang with, I hope you're proud! And you fucking wonder WHY you're losing public support!!!:

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FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 20:02

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 12:34

Abusive men are all on your side of the fence. Russell Brand, Glinner, Matt Walsh, Lawrence Fox, Andrew Tate. Rod Liddle, Tommy Robinson. They all "know what a woman is" though so they get a platform for you to benefit from.

As I said before, you spit on a lot of good women when you spit on my life. And then you wonder why they say no to you.

Russell Brand is a TRA. And pretty standard of one.

Circumferences · 03/05/2025 20:01

Some were thrown out of their homes with just the clothes on their backs when they came out to their families.
Oh don't rely on making shit up now, you've done enough of that

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/05/2025 20:01

We’ve dealt with malicious and hard of thinking “trans allies” for years. It’s not really all that surprising or exciting.

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 20:01

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 12:26

It's just this kind of gaslighting that the public are seeing through now. The "there is no transphobia" ship has long sailed. The intentional cruelty enabled by Trump and now the UK is undeniable, and ongoing. Trump even boasted about how he uses us before elections to whip up his base. And Rowling doesn't even bother to pretend not to hate us anymore. The toothpaste is out of the tube, and the British public dislike bullies.

On the contrary. The public is fed up of violent misogynistic bullies and their cruelty against women and girls. Women and girls don't want males exposing their penis to them. We say no! Deal with it! The days of our malignant violent and predatorial femphobic misogyny are over. We say no to males in our spaces. The movement is growing. You are losing the battle to expose women and girls to a penis in their spaces, and the war. Cope and seethe.

ThatCyanCat · 03/05/2025 19:59

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:54

The LGB alliance provide an online chat service open 6 hours a week. That's too pathetic for words

Ah, so you want them to have more resources and support to expand their services? Good to know. Drop them some cash to help. Come on, you can't expect them to run like Stonewall when they've never owned all the institutions.

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:59

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 19:56

The confirmation by the SC is YOUR pushback that you are receiving and shows we are winning the war. You can live your life but stay out of female only spaces if you were born male, stop letting females living our lives free of femphobic misogynists like yourself. Feminists aren't going to ever and I mean ever, and I mean EVER stop fighting for our rights and remove every male person from our spaces, so best you misogynist femphobic bullies get used to the pushback you are getting from society.

If you take a breath and wipe your chin, you may notice that this thread is about the pushback you are getting from people everywhere who think bullying trans people sucks, actually.

We didn't put them up to it. You deal with them.

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 19:58

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 12:17

Then why are you getting pushback?

Why are you getting pushback? Why are facilities, organisations and sports blocking males from entering female spaces?

I wonder....

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:56

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 19:51

A majority of trans people deny that they have Gender Dysphoria. The fact is males are males and the SC so held. So put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

The NHS won't treat anyone without a diagnosis of GD, so that's horseshit, and not to be smoked.

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 19:56

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 11:52

The pushback you are experiencing is on transphobia, not anyone's rights. Your agenda is absolutely about stopping me living my life, and has been since Janice Reymond all the way through the WDI declaration on "womens sex based rights"

You are trying to "morally mandate us out of existence" and it shows whether you want it to or not. That's what Jo Public is judging you on.

The confirmation by the SC is YOUR pushback that you are receiving and shows we are winning the war. You can live your life but stay out of female only spaces if you were born male, stop letting females living our lives free of femphobic misogynists like yourself. Feminists aren't going to ever and I mean ever, and I mean EVER stop fighting for our rights and remove every male person from our spaces, so best you misogynist femphobic bullies get used to the pushback you are getting from society.

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:54

ThatCyanCat · 03/05/2025 19:42

you still did what you could to make a beast of me.

I can't claim any credit for that. You did it without any help.

And if you care about gay kids, support the LGB Alliance. It's the only charity dedicated to supporting exclusively same sex attracted people.

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The LGB alliance provide an online chat service open 6 hours a week. That's too pathetic for words

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 19:51

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 10:37

No, it's the established treatment for Gender Dysphoria, and it's very effective. What men might fantasise about does not concern me. Your objectification of me as a sex object makes you no better than them.

The SC Ruling didn't mention "fantasy" but they did go out of their way to describe trans people as a recognised minority demographic and worthy of protection in UK society. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

A majority of trans people deny that they have Gender Dysphoria. The fact is males are males and the SC so held. So put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 03/05/2025 19:49

Seethlaw · 03/05/2025 17:26

"You don't treat a mental health condition with hormones & surgery."

They do, though, and for good reason: it's the only thing that somewhat works. Everything else has been tried, with zero result. Hormones and surgery do provide relief to at least those suffering from gender dysphoria. It's literally better than nothing, hence why it's done.

I can't agree with that.

Firstly, many adolescents if left untreated with "gender affirming care" grow out of their trans identity.

Secondly, it might relieve the distress of believing that you are Napoleon Bonaparte to be dressed up in 19th century French clothing and exiled to St Helena, but we don't do that. Why not? Surely it would be the kind thing to do?

FlakyCritic · 03/05/2025 19:49

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 09:50

This is about the pushback you're getting, not us.

I don't think a single one of my (mostly female) friends is not a survivor of some form of serious sexual, familial and/or domestic abuse, including me. That's what you fail to understand about the Queer community. We've nearly all of us had to choose life at some point. We know all about safety, consent and boundaries, because we have to. And as such, we recognise these qualities in each other and draw together in the face of a hostile world. You're only fooling yourself if you write us off as lacking humanity or respect, or weak.

Transphobes exploit trauma, the LGBT community is a refuge from it. That's why you'll never be rid of us. We're people bonded by our shared humanity and grief, and you continually fail to recognise that, much less respect it. The pushback you are getting is from those that DO recognise our humanity. They do not recognise the crude caricatures and fearmongering stereotypes that you're so determined to sell us as.

It's when you say stuff like "trans contagion" that you sound less like you have simple concerns for women's safety, dignity and privacy, but more like a zealous moral crusade to eradicate all traces of trans from society, medicine and law. That's the point when bullying a vulnerable minority becomes obvious to the average neutral person, I'm guessing.

I'm going to skip a lot of the transperbole in your post. Firstly, the fact is it's the pushback that your group is getting that has resulting in the 'trans' community losing support.

Secondly, please don't use the homophobic word 'que*r'. It won't help you here. Ask any of the gay men that were around when Stonewall happened. Such as Fred Sergeant. That SLUR was echoing in their ears as they were beaten.

If your friends had experienced sexual abuse, they would understand why sex-based female only single sex spaces are vital.

Femphobes and misogynists gaslight victims of sexual violence. It's also why they threaten to rape, skin alive, beat, curb stomp and fucking URINATE on us (or feminist monuments) that reduce female humanity while at the same time exposing themselves as malevolent, malignant, violent dangerous misogynists.

Males are NOT, and never will be, a 'vulnerable minority'. It's at that point, that the oppressor sex class tries to position themselves as victims that they lose. And it's the reason - along with the urinating, barbed wire baseball bats, molotov cocktail wielding hate-filled violent misogynists that show their dna every time they 'protest' that is the very reason they are losing.

Does anyone else feel disheartened?
WithSilverBells · 03/05/2025 19:48

ThatCyanCat · 03/05/2025 19:41

I agree, but I think his attempt to exploit a mother's devastation and gleefully blame and taunt her about it was... completely par for the course, actually.

Yep, male behaviour from testes to toenails

WithSilverBells · 03/05/2025 19:47

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:42

Prejudice flourishes by having someone to look down on. It can help a person feel better about their own miserable existence.

🤣 So true. You look down on a whole sex-class

ThatCyanCat · 03/05/2025 19:42

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:40

The LGBT community has no shortage of alienated kids seeking, and finding, a safe refuge. Some were thrown out of their homes with just the clothes on their backs when they came out to their families.

And although I made a point of saying how we all love a dull coming out story, because they are so rare, you still did what you could to make a beast of me. You are proud to be cruel.

you still did what you could to make a beast of me.

I can't claim any credit for that. You did it without any help.

And if you care about gay kids, support the LGB Alliance. It's the only charity dedicated to supporting exclusively same sex attracted people.

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:42

WithSilverBells · 03/05/2025 19:35

I'll be honest. MBD's long howl of rage has cheered me up no end😀Thanks for the thread OP

Prejudice flourishes by having someone to look down on. It can help a person feel better about their own miserable existence.

ThatCyanCat · 03/05/2025 19:41

WithSilverBells · 03/05/2025 19:35

I'll be honest. MBD's long howl of rage has cheered me up no end😀Thanks for the thread OP

I agree, but I think his attempt to exploit a mother's devastation and gleefully blame and taunt her about it was... completely par for the course, actually.

MadBadDaddy · 03/05/2025 19:40

ThatCyanCat · 03/05/2025 19:21

I can't believe you think this post reflects well on you and what you stand for.

I guess once you've decided men can be women, every other distortion is easy. And we know there's quite a strong cohort that loves nothing more than alienating children from their parents.

The LGBT community has no shortage of alienated kids seeking, and finding, a safe refuge. Some were thrown out of their homes with just the clothes on their backs when they came out to their families.

And although I made a point of saying how we all love a dull coming out story, because they are so rare, you still did what you could to make a beast of me. You are proud to be cruel.