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Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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ItsCoolForCats · 01/05/2025 17:32

I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

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MarieDeGournay · 01/05/2025 17:51

Yes, disheartened; especially as the temporary elation caused by the ruling of the UK Supreme Court was quickly snuffed out by remembering that I live in Ireland, where we don't even have the toe-hold of the word 'sex' in our equality legislation, just 'gender', so we couldn't have an equivalent court case on the legal meaning of the word 'woman'.

And we've had a procession of politicians and other commentators reassuring the trans community that things are different here and they are still going to be disproportionately cossetted.🙄

That makes us a target destination for transfolx fleeing the brutal oppressive transphobic hell of Terf Island😟

The swift reversal policy by the FA etc are heartening, and maybe just maybe the turn of the tide in the UK will strengthen the grass roots in Ireland, who I am convinced never bought into genderwoo at all.

SmoothRoads · 01/05/2025 17:50

I feel disheartened, because gender critical voices are still ignored. We get lumped in with Trump and his loonies.

I also feel disheartened, because conservationism is on the rise, even on this forum. I keep seeing thread after thread where women are admonished for not providing more care, for being critical of shitty men or not accepting all the shit that gets shoveled in their direction, for not wanting to have sex with men, for trying to make men take care of their own children, for putting boundaries in place, for saying no, for not being a gracious host to rude and ungrateful guests, for not accepting a cheating husband, for not willing to a SAHM mom and a full-time employee at the same time, etc, etc. I think some of you know the threads I am referring to.

I am once again so glad I decided early on never to have children or a husband. It may be isolating, especially now, but it's the best a woman can hope for. I feel like we're living through the 1830s, where women suddenly lost a lot of rights too.

Arran2024 · 01/05/2025 17:47

No, I feel like it's a tsunami gathering momentum.

Lovelyview · 01/05/2025 17:46

I was a bit disheartened by the push back but there have been some fantastic wins. And even the demonstrations allowed the trans activists to show just how aggressive and misogynistic they are from the signs calling for terfs to be hanged to the massive male unit in a dress saying he's going to carry on using women's toilets. It's all sunlight.

HeadAboveHeadBelow · 01/05/2025 17:42

I know what you mean OP, but it was never going to go down well. A lot of people are very convinced by gender ideology. It isn't the end but it's an important step along the way of turning the juggernaut round and pointing it in the right direction. All we can do is keep reiterating our views with integrity and honesty, as much as possible.

rebmacesrevda · 01/05/2025 17:39

Not dejected, but not elated either. The SC ruling wasn't the end; more like the end of the beginning. There will be many more court cases and employment tribunals, many of which will be heard in private, but each one held in public is another step towards the end. It's going to take decades to un-fuck this mess, and I think we've all just got to chip away at it. I'm definitely not celebrating, but I'm thinking about what I can do in practical terms to help to restore sanity to our society.

Lottapianos · 01/05/2025 17:38

I know what you mean. The SC ruling should have been an end to the madness but it really hasn't turned out that way. I've been surprised, maybe naively, by the extent of the backlash

On the other hand, 3 major sporting organisations have announced today that they will be adhering to the ruling and keeping men out of women's sports, so there are definitely reasons to be hopeful