Does anyone else feel disheartened?

Nobody here is anti-trans. It may be that you are simply misogynistic, paranoid and desperate to remove our rights.

Read this thread and see.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5326486-thank-you-from-a-trans-lurker

When i signed up to this site about 6 years ago you were still pretending to not hate "real" transsexuals, and you were arguing about whether Brietbart was a reputable news source because, like any right-wing outreach, it spoke about trans people with the words you wanted to hear.

I've watched this place be radicalised. Shame, this is where I discovered the "Bumbo", for which I remain grateful

Exactly. The elimination of the undefined and undefinable “gender identity” even when coupled with the elimination of all rights from those who claim they have one STILL doesn’t equate to the elimination of people.

They will still exist and still be moaning that the world is no longer pandering to their every whim, long after women have fully regained their rights.

Obviously I don't have an objective view on what is being discussed, I can only observe what I'm seeing in media, and how it's being received. Plenty of the usual transphobic talking-heads are expressing the same consternation as this thread. Sharon Davies, James Esses, Glinner, Posie Parker and even Rowling aren't talking about "no-one is trying to eliminate you". Far from it. The teeth are out and the blood is up.

Indeed. A quick read of numerous threads on here reveals hundreds of women finally feeling able to express their resentment at men in their changing rooms., their children being gaslit in schools and all the young pregnant women bitterly resenting being faced with the dehumanising removal of the language of women and mothers in maternity care.
All pushed for by Stonewall and the other anti women trans lobby groups.

Exactly. Like my very woo friend who wants to be kind but has just confessed that she really wouldn't want to share a changing room with her other friend's new 'wife'. My mum, who's not wanting to make her very sweet TIM acquaintance sad but wants to talk third spaces because she can also see that other women's consent can't be given away on their behalf.

Quote the exact text of the Declaration where it says this. You may be surprised by what you find.

Interestingly, in my experience, the SC ruling has made the topic more widely discussed, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how many people, quiet until now, are very strongly in favour of the decision.

Unfortunately, those who aren’t are generally wailing and sulking rather than thinking about how to legally address any issues they have. And some are sulking in a very loud and aggressive manner The scale of that pushback is quite disturbing for lots of people, and not for the reasons you suggest

What's left me disheartened is the realisation that many people and organisations don't really think that women should have sex-based rights. We can have 'gender' based rights, so long as we are nice and share them with the men.

He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed bless him. Mind you it does give me hope if this in the intellectual level of the TRA.

He’s been around a while, yet he still suggests the women on this board are Trump-adjacent far-righters???

My only conclusion is that he must have a very shallow learning curve

Carry on shooting the messenger then, and wondering why seemingly reasonable people keep disagreeing with you, while all the rich egomaniacs love you.

Exactly. I mean. I can think of 4 off the top of my head who are not exactly err… unbiased in these matters. Bundles, foxes judges wigs and bobble hats spring to mind. I bet it was one of those.

Also, like he ever actually asked before using the toilet. Not a damn chance.

He's been around for quite a while I think. Doggedly mansplaining that we're wrong, bigoted, evil, right wing shills and/or left wing atheists depending on the day etc etc etc.

Quite useful as a way to explain and demonstrate to the lurkers, though.

Because lawyers are never biased or politically motivated especially not human rights ones !!

The "someone" is a Human Rights lawyer. Read it, or don't - you're welcome to stay safe in your ignorance, but this thread is about you scratching your heads about why the whole country isn't joining in with your performative cruelty and victory laps.

I feel sorry for them.

😂😂😂
You’re kind of new here, aren’t you!

Oh, and when the women in your choir say they’re happy for you to use the women’s toilet, just consider what would happen to them if they said no?

Roles of misogyny so far in this thread, with this in particular being number 1:

Women are responsible for what men do.

Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.

Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.

So you’re saying that elimination is not what the declaration says but someone’s interpretation of it? Err…. Mate. Seriously.

Yeah they don't call for the elimination of trans people then do they

No. Google "an-international-human-rights-law-analysis-of-the-whrc-declaration"

"It becomes clear that what the Declaration is attempting to do is put forward a case for the elimination of ‘gender identity’ from human rights law, and it is then possible to extrapolate from that, that the document would happily see all legal protections removed from trans people. This is particularly clear when, following a misapplication of the Yogyakarta Principles definition, the Declaration states that “the concept of ‘gender identity’ has enabled men who claim a female ‘gender identity’ to assert, in law, policies, and practice, that they are members of the category of women, which is a category based upon sex.” "

Any chance we could call Bunbury and get back to sensible discussion with the sane posters?

Also, OP, as you can see from this thread, those fighting us are loud, aggressive and often unhinged. The powers that be cower before these men. I wish they’d stop, but it is understandable. Unlike many of the women on this board, they’re not used to being targeted by narcissists.