Thank You from a Trans Lurker

Er NO!! You're not getting it! It really is pointless talking to you people

To put it very simply, the OP makes no demands. Does not demand that people ignore the evidence of their eyes, twist reality or give up safe spaces, sport etc.

That tends to mean that people engage in good faith and politely.

Who are you talking to?

I don't mock trans women. I have asked the trans women who post here to explain how their understanding of themself as a woman fits in with mine, and why their understanding of themself as a women means not just that the meaning of woman needs to change for everyone regardless of how we may see ourselves, but also that female people are not allowed to redefine ourselves as outside that new meaning of women and that it is hateful and exclusive for us to create our own new groups and maintain our original sex based rights even though this new definition of woman explicitly excludes those concerns.

You have appeared on one thread. This forum has been active for many years and the discussions therein have been detailed and long. You seem to have launched yourself in without any wider contextual awareness or knowledge.

For the ELEVENTH....FUCKING....TIME, it's because the OP is FEMALE.

Not because they are trans or non trans!

Because they are FUCKING FEMALE!!!

FEMALE!

Because the OP has clearly stated that they know that they are female, but has chosen to present otherwise for their own happiness, and does not require validation from others, just from their own feelings.

And there were two TWs on this thread who were engaged with respectfully as they were respectful.

Maybe you missed that.

THE OP is open, honest and realistic about their trans identity and does not seek to impose it on others. The OP also has empathy with women and considers their needs important.

Er, NO! You still don't get it. It's not about 'trans' at....all.

It's about the OP being FEMALE.

A feminist forum supports and defends and feels more for the FEMALE sex class.

Again, for the tenth fucking time, it's about the SEX. Male vs female. Nothing at all to do with 'trans'.

All the things that I've seen said about trans women, how deluded they are etc etc etc you should be saying the same arguments to OP but no one is
No-one will though, as the trans man narrative is different on here - people will see him as being lost and in need of saving, so are being nice.
If you're a trans woman though, the narrative is instant hostility because - man wanting to be a pervert.

Why aren't you mocking OP the way you do trans women? It's there in so many comments on the boards. But OP gets an easy ride, I'm glad they do but it's kind of sickening to see the difference

Make all these points to OP then! Surely you feel the same towards them. I'm just trying to make the point of how different OP is being treated. All the things that I've seen said about trans women, how deluded they are etc etc etc you should be saying the same arguments to OP but no one is. That's what is infuriating.

trying to highlight that redefing "women" and "men" as mixed sex states of mind is a massive backstep for women's autonomy

"GC" is what is a massive back step for women's autonomy imo.
Trying to police what grown adults can and can't do with their bodies, dismissing trans men as poor, lost little girls who don't know any better or have been "captured," (which is the usual narrative)
If you start wanting to mess about with bodily autonomy for people who are trans, it's not likely to end well for all women.

Thus proving the point I made in the first place - that OP was only getting a good reception because they are a trans man, and blowing out of the water the idea that people would be nice to a trans woman if only they were respectful. It wouldn't matter how a trans woman was on here - they would be insulted and ridiculed

Ah, are we just saying what we are seeing then?

Great!

I'm seeing two people back slapping each other about how nasty everyone but them is while studiously ignoring the big picture that the people who are what they term "hating trans people" are trying to highlight that redefing "women" and "men" as mixed sex states of mind is a massive backstep for women's autonomy, social and cultural presence and women's rights, is leading vulnerable people to make extremely damaging and poorly evidenced interventions to their bodies in pursuit of an imagined state that does not in reality exist, and is legimitising a cohort of men - not all trans women, but not no trans women either - who have very damaging and sexualised ideas about what women are and how we live.

Just saying what I see here, but I'm kind of on the side of people who don't this is ok to be honest.

Same 😁

Lol yes I have no connection to any trans rights groups or anything, I'm just saying what I see on here.

Did you get a smacked arse from your HQ and told to do better to stir the pot?

Your HQ?! 😁
That conspiracy theory thing again where if you're posting from the "other side", you must be some part of a Big Boss Group calling into some kind of Leader. Rather than you know, just an ordinary poster.
It's utterly bizarre.

I also think that if @PhoebesPony had seen how many threads even for advice (ie marriage, women expect more help with baby, paranoid women etc) by men who say they are a man and looking for advice re their marriage, how many women go for his jugular right away, sadly. Women tend to think the worse of the man asking for help on here, and react. And these are so-called c1s men on here, not trans. And they get a hostile reception the moment they speak. So what is PhoebesPony's explanation for that, then? They don't get any better reception for being 'cis'.

It's a reaction to MALES. They are not looked on favourably on here. Regardless of marriage, income problems, housework share.... or, trans issues. It is MALES we react to. They always get a bad reception on here. That should have been the clue to Phoebes. We're reacting to males. Men. That's it. You could accuse us of being men haters or misandrists. But it's about males. That some maybe trans is completely incidental. 'Cis' get no better reception. That there, is the clue.

It's males. Not 'trans women'. It's males that come on here throwing their weight around, dictating to us the terms of a discussion, telling we can't refer to this and can't refer to that.

In short: it is Male Entitlement.

That is what we are reacting to. Not transwomen per se. You've had this explained to you before.

I notice no examples of trans women being mistreated on this board have been provided. Its always the same. Give examples - Tumbleweeds and silence.

touched on the transhumanist dreams of some trans activists, which left the scifi fan part of me very excited

May not be what you are referring to, but Shulamith Firestone who was a very influential radical feminist has been called a transhumanist.

But in her specific idea that aritificial wombs who be the answer to women paying the "pregnancy" penalty in a male dominated world, meant some radical feminists were not supportive.

But like many women writing at that time had no concept of just how far reaching the trans agenda would be today compared to the times she was writing in.

https://teoriaevolutiva.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/firestone-shulamith-dialectic-sex-case-feminist-revolution.pdf
(Not sure this contributes to the discussion on this thread but for anyone interested in her writing.)

@Seethlaw
Thanks, I'd love to read it but my French comprehension is definitely inadequate!
I think the video title is wrong; he talks about revolution rather than cult. I didn't love the speaker but I thought it was fascinating. Genspect have had a few conferences with some amazing speakers, explaining how the ideology infected the (English-speaking) world and corrupted our institutions. It makes me really glad there are all these people who've been documenting it for years, while I was oblivious to what was happening.