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Thank You from a Trans Lurker

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Seethlaw · 01/05/2025 16:42

I want to thank you all wonderful people for fighting the good fight despite everything that's been thrown at you. I was an intermittent lurker for years before your arguments finally made it through my barriers. I'm in awe of your courage and tenacity and impossible patience!

I'm a trans man from another European country. I used to be extremely baffled by you GC people. I couldn't help but wonder what on Earth possessed you to go after trans people. I couldn't understand how anyone could think that trans people, that minuscule minority, was any kind of threat to anyone. I was devastated when I learned that one of my favourite authors (not JKR) had "gone TERF".

Again and again, I went back to what I thought were the basics: there is nothing wrong with being trans, and we just want to live our lives in peace.

But stuff happened over the years, some in real life and some on MN where I would lurk once in a while. Coincidentally, it was on the day of the UKSC ruling that I found myself here again, and I was absolutely horrified, and I finally accepted the unacceptable: it was never the TERFs going after the trans. It was the trans going after women's places and even the very definition of the word "woman".

Since then, I've watched the fallout of the SC decision. And my stomach has been sinking as trans person after trans person has come here, trotted out the same old, long-debunked arguments, and hurled abuse and disrespect in the name of "Me, me, me!" And the thing is, I can't even fool myself that they are not "real" trans people.

Back when I transitioned, more than a decade ago, in my country, I searched for trans support groups, and I encountered that very phenomenon of trans people (mostly trans women, though by no means all of them) demanding that the world twist around them. I told myself then that they were not representative of trans people, but the thing is: they are the loudest ones, and the most demanding ones - and as such, the most visible ones. I don't know yet what I can or will do about that, but at least now I'm aware that when people talk about trans people, they might be thinking of such individuals.

Thank you to anyone who read that far, and thank you again for everything you've done. You people rock 👍 !!

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Boiledeggandtoast · 01/05/2025 17:44

Thank you for posting and sending you all best wishes.

FOJN · 01/05/2025 17:43

I am sincerely very sorry that the trans rights movement has been co-opted by aggressive MRA's. I'm an unapologetic and uncompromising gender abolitionist/sex realist now but I still think about the people with gender dysphoria and about how much harm has been done to them by people who claimed to speak for them.

I am angry with the people government who pandered to the loudest voices. I am angry about the climate of fear that has been created and deterred researchers from trying to find improved treatments for people with gender dysphoria.

I wish you nothing but health and happiness.

changedusernameforthis1 · 01/05/2025 17:36

Lovely to see another trans person on here with the same views 🙂
I'm also a trans man and have had very similar experiences with the trans community. I left my local "support" group because it felt so toxic.

soupycustard · 01/05/2025 17:30

Thank you for posting. It's really lovely to hear your view.

Catiette · 01/05/2025 17:26

Thank you so much for sharing this, OP. I really worry that voices like yours have been silenced - or cynically misrepresented - just as ours have. It's really good to hear from someone with your background and experience. If more balanced and empathetic perspectives had been foregrounded from the start, we'd all be in such a better place, but balanced and empathetic doesn't get much currency nowadays. I find it tragic (sad, and in the classical sense) that so many trans people themselves have been hurt by their self-proclaimed representatives. I wish you the best of luck in whatever steps you take.

Seethlaw · 01/05/2025 17:25

Thank you everyone for the kind words :)

@Sodthesystem

I'm not in any trans community, unfortunately. I never felt terribly welcome, and other than practical help with transitioning, it didn't bring me anything useful. So I left after I was done transitioning, and never went back.

@UtopiaPlanitia

Yeah, sexism in the trans world is very real. Back when I went to support groups, I was amazed at how the exact same social interactions existed between trans men and trans women as between women and men.

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BonfireLady · 01/05/2025 17:24

Good to hear from you OP.

I can't imagine any of your journey to this point has been easy. I hope you're doing OK through all this weird stuff that's now happening in the public discourse (I'm thinking specifically about the fear mongering and twisting of facts about the SC judgement 😞)... from your post it sounds like you're better placed than others when it comes to being grounded on this TBF. It's appalling that a so-called "community" seems to thrive on and weaponise this fear, particularly when it comes to vulnerable young people and children. Thank you for seeing through all the "GC noise" and recognising the support that exists within it.

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/05/2025 16:56

It very much bothers me that trans activists push the wants of trans-identifying males to the fore and ignore the needs of trans-identifying females except when they think these females can be used to argue against women-only services and spaces. It screams of sexism.

OP it’s great to hear from someone like yourself willing to engage.

Helleofabore · 01/05/2025 16:56

OP

Best of luck and best of health. Maybe it has also been the case now that female people with transgender identities are being weaponised by so many others. When if you have been on MN as you say you have, feminists tend to try to protect those female people. Even if some of them don’t understand what we do and are doing it for.

It is great to hear from you. And I hope that you know, you are not alone. There are other female people with transgender identities who have delurked lately too.

Sodthesystem · 01/05/2025 16:50

Good on you for seeing through the bs.

There are some brilliant trans YouTubers like Buck Angel and Marcus something or other who call out the fake trans, narcissistic activist lot for ruining it for everyone. They kept wanting to take from women and now it's backfired on trans folk too.

We need more sane trans voices speaking up for biological women. And against the selfish fakes and the autogynophiles and the people who don't actually want equality, but want to be validated or even celebrated at the expense of women's safety.

I hope you do all you can to spread your voice. In all fairness, being biologicaly female it seems to be harder to be heard than the bio males who transition (funny that) but please keep speaking up for us in the trans community and calling out the bullshit entitlement of crappy people.

Good luck!

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