AIBU to love a "reverse ferret"?

*golden bridge

Lots of great comments on this thread.

IMO, the golden is there for both reverse ferreters and people who overtly state that they were wrong and have now changed their view (John Boyne, Wes Streeting being good examples in this thread). I have far more respect for the latter but will accommodate the self-delusion and cowardice of the former as long as they take action which puts things right. It's the action I'm "applauding" in my yes vote on here.

6ft 2 inches and with the whole of NHS Fife and Scot Gov behind him. Sandie Peggie should be given the George Cross.

Eta the initials are very appropriate.

And then you have the likes of Labour (of which I'm still a member as I keep forgetting to cancel my membership and it's annoyingly on auto renew)

I am on a monthly auto renew with the Lib Dems, so I cancelled the payment as soon as they came out with their weaselly "yes we will obey the Supreme Court but what about the poor trans" nonsense. So they will find out when the DD fails in a few days time. We will see what their response will be. I might remind them that I am the sort of GC woman like Natalie Bird that a few weeks ago they would only have been too glad to kick out of membership. (I am still mentally composing my response!)

As for 'What about the poor trans, they are afraid.' Beth Upton, 6 foot 2 against Sandie Peggie of about 5 foot 4? Oh please!

Yes! Johns apology was superb, it showed he truly was sorry for getting it wrong. And I thought fair play to the man, that took guts.

And then you have the likes of Labour (of which I'm still a member as I keep forgetting to cancel my membership and it's annoyingly on auto renew) and their "we've always supported single sex spaces" (despite the fact they've purposefully referred to safe spaces instead for years) and I'm shouting out loud at the tv "Oh fuck off you lying arse!"

"I'm sorry, I was wrong". Which ought to be followed with "I owe you an apology."

The funny thing about reverse ferreters is that they're trying to save face - but they don't seem to realise their lack of accountability and refusal to apologise, makes them look worse than the ego knock of uttering the words: "I'm sorry, I was wrong".

I enjoy a reverse ferret, in a schadenfreude sort of way. They give me a chuckle, and it shows you when the wind is changing, so useful in a way.

In terms of genuinely appreciating them, though . . . no. I'd rather a sincere "I was wrong".

It boils my piss a bit, frankly, when those who really went in guns blazing against "the TERFs" suddenly come over all twitchy ferret and start pretending they didn't know or the situation has changed. As if people weren't blue in the face trying to tell them. As if they weren't actively putting their hands in their ears and going "la la la", for YEARS.

They can sod off.

It really does take some chutzpah from Private Eye to publish that.

I'm sorry, not sorry, but these are people who have happily spent the last 15 years shitting on my legal rights. Reverse ferret all you want but I will not forget and I will never forgive.

Because the judgment being written more or less in Peter and Jane simplicity of terms is apparently 'complicated'.

Possibly the government need to employ Mr Tumble to do a programme about it. With songs. Maybe some finger puppets. Interpretive dance.

My union has today sent out an update as everyone has been asking for one.

No reverse ferreting there just firmly getting splinters in their arses sitting on the fence. Apparently they want clarity before commenting so will wait for the full EHRC guidance.

The reverse ferreting is better than sticking to illegal guns, and may be enjoyable. But as others have said, the non weaselly people who apologise and admit they were wrong are much more admirable and trustworthy.

I don’t trust the ferrets not to do another 180 if the wind changes again, to mix metaphors.

His reverse ferreting still hasn't gone as far as apologising to Rosie Duffield....

Precisely this.

The problem with the likes of Starmer is that as well reverse ferreting he's demonstrated that he's untrustworthy. I am struggling to believe that should the wind change he won't reverse again. It's not that I necessarily want him to apologise, although that would be admirable, but I want to see his working. Why was he there? How did he get from there to here? Then I'd know he could be trusted.

Like the pp said I almost have more time for the fuckwits who still claim to believe this shite. You know where you are with fuckwits! With windsock Starmer all I know is that he goes where the wind blows.

Oh i don't really have sympathy for them, but I think the reverse ferrets are only afraid of lawsuits and wouldn't have changed their minds on reading facts, so are craven cowardly self interested people. I may totally disagree with the hold the liners, and I do, but the pathetic behaviour of, for example Starmer, has nothing to commend it either. He'd pivot again in a heart beat.

Agreed. I've said it before but John Boyne's Twitter apology was a masterclass in saying 'I was wrong. I'm sorry'

That, I can respect.

What I can't respect is people or organisations who pretend that their opinion has never changed when it has, and there are receipts to prove it.

I'm not sure, I lot of organisation were threatened with lawsuits based around the equality act in regards to transgender people and sex based rights.

Since the Equality Act has been clarified to state that sex related to biological sex those threats are now meaningless and organisations are free to implement what they originally intended.

I applaud people like Wes Streeting who apologised and said they got it wrong.

Reverse ferreters are people or companies who pretend or lie about what they were doing originally. I have no time for liars. However I wouldn't berate them either for not doing it sooner.

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I'm glass-half-full about reverse ferreting, but I agree with other posters that it's infuriating when they come out with 'Let me be clear, we have always prioritised the safety of women in single-sex spaces..' when they've spent years doing the opposite😡
The fact that they don't seem bothered about being on record, and recorded, saying exactly what they now claim they never ever said is disturbing.

Facts, even clear-as-the-nose-on-your-face facts, caught on video facts, just don't matter.