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And cricket bans transwomen from the women's game too

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Apollo441 · 01/05/2025 13:09

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/05/01/transgender-players-banned-womens-football-england-supreme/

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teancoffee · 02/05/2025 21:37

Rumour has it that it's the insurance companies forcing the changes so that the sports bodies comply with the law.

SternJoyousBee · 02/05/2025 20:36

notwavingbutsinking · 02/05/2025 18:49

From the BBC article above...

""I was nowhere near the biggest hitter in the team, nor the fastest bowler in the team." - sadface quote from a transwoman cricketer.

SO FUCKING WHAT?? I'm confident that my DS would be nowhere near the biggest hitter or fastest bowler on a women's cricket team, because he's shit at cricket. That doesn't change the fact that he is (a 6ft, heavily built) male who would have absolutely no right to be playing in the first place.

Those blokes are so selfish. They can fuck off and play in the 4ths or 5ths at their local club.

just because he might be crap doesn’t mean he should be playing in the women’s team.

Talkinpeace · 02/05/2025 19:44

socialdilemmawhattodo · 02/05/2025 19:32

It is odd. Do you think they combined on legal advice?

Sport England .....

socialdilemmawhattodo · 02/05/2025 19:32

notwavingbutsinking · 01/05/2025 13:14

So that's Football, Netball and Cricket all making announcements today? Has this been coordinated somehow?

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It is odd. Do you think they combined on legal advice?

WhatterySquash · 02/05/2025 19:08

""I was nowhere near the biggest hitter in the team, nor the fastest bowler in the team." - sadface quote from a transwoman cricketer.

Doesn't matter. If a male was on the team, a female missed out on a place. If a male was there, women players were put in greater danger and discomfort. If any women weren't happy about the obvious unfairness and untruth, they knew they would be treated as pariahs and were required to shut up and deny reality to make the TW happy.

None of that is OK.

notwavingbutsinking · 02/05/2025 18:49

From the BBC article above...

""I was nowhere near the biggest hitter in the team, nor the fastest bowler in the team." - sadface quote from a transwoman cricketer.

SO FUCKING WHAT?? I'm confident that my DS would be nowhere near the biggest hitter or fastest bowler on a women's cricket team, because he's shit at cricket. That doesn't change the fact that he is (a 6ft, heavily built) male who would have absolutely no right to be playing in the first place.

Talkinpeace · 02/05/2025 18:26

The Sun's front page today was a corker

Boiledbeetle · 02/05/2025 18:00

All these avenues for men to cheat in women's sports disappearing!

Wonderful!

freddie mercury GIF
Toptotoe · 02/05/2025 17:54

Great news 🥳

lapuf · 02/05/2025 17:49

Butchyrestingface · 02/05/2025 17:35

Any movement by governing bodies of contact sports? I can’t see anything in the news re boxing or rugby as yet.

Rugby already sorted, world rugby was 2022 I think

Butchyrestingface · 02/05/2025 17:35

Any movement by governing bodies of contact sports? I can’t see anything in the news re boxing or rugby as yet.

WhatterySquash · 02/05/2025 17:26

‘They think it’s all ovaries … it is now’

Genius 😂

ErrolTheDragon · 02/05/2025 16:28

I did come across this front page though (apologies of it’s been linked already) for football. Just realised the link may change content each day…heading is ‘FA sees sense at last’, large headline is ‘They think it’s all ovaries … it is now’

https://www.frontpages.com/the-sun/

The Sun - Today's Front Page

Discover today's edition of the newspaper, cover and headline.

https://www.frontpages.com/the-sun/

LoveTKO · 02/05/2025 13:15

Finally, common sense prevails. Hope they keep the trend going.

WhatterySquash · 02/05/2025 13:09

[And apols I was not aiming that at the OP, who is just repeating the headline from the linked article - but the general media take.]

WhatterySquash · 02/05/2025 13:06

I'm really glad this is happening but I'm so sick of the news reports! "Transwomen (or sometimes even erroneously "Transgender people") BANNED from women's sport after SC ruling! We talk to a poor sad TW who's being kicked out of sport!" <sigh>

The headline should be "Sporting body restores female-only requirement to make women's sports fair and safe after misinterpretation of rules" or similar and "We talk to a woman who unfairly lost out on a team place or medal to / was injured by a male in her sport."

My jaw was on the floor listening to radio 4 (hey, I sound like a rapper) this morning as they wanged on about transwomen being excluded and "banned" oh do fuck off! You mean MALES rightly not allowed to play in FEMALE sports which is so fucking eminently reasonable it shouldn't even ever have been news! It is not about banning, excluding or deliberately upsetting trans people. If certain TW weren't shoving themselves into the wrong category for their sex and certain GI organisations hadn't lied about the law to multiple bodies and institutions this wouldn't have even been necessary .

It's like saying "burglars disguised as security guards banned from bank vaults shock horror!

Helleofabore · 02/05/2025 12:17

Thank you. I am off to read up.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 01/05/2025 23:01

Conxis · 01/05/2025 14:39

I reckon it is not a coincidence.
Safety in numbers, and less likely to get a backlash if looks like the house of cards is collapsing. Much more difficult for people to speak out against it without them looking like a lone voice

This makes sense. I hope it encourages other sports bodies to make sport fair again. It always struck me as weird that sports lovers would support blatant cheating.

Then, I hope it will spread outwards to all the other organisations —cowards, the lot of them — that have so shamefully allowed male bullies to steal women’s rights,

WandaSiri · 01/05/2025 21:11

notwavingbutsinking · 01/05/2025 21:00

I agree but they've nailed their colours to the mast pretty firmly that mixed netball is trans inclusive. It will be interesting to see if they have to backtrack down the road.

I will never understand why some women are so desperate for male approval. Which is why I think netball went so bonkers.

sellotapeblues · 01/05/2025 21:03

Agree that they’ve definite pinned their ‘inclusivity’ to the mixed version of the game. It’s a shame because it’s a legitimate way for women and men to play the sport together. As long as everyone knows where they stand when they step on court. I hope women’s who do play mixed feel less inclined to be ‘kind’ when faced with the cheating.

notwavingbutsinking · 01/05/2025 21:00

WandaSiri · 01/05/2025 20:53

I think they might run into problems offering mixed netball if some of the men count as women. It's not really a contact sport but the team with the most men will have an unfair advantage and women will have fewer spots. If they said that it was mixed, men counted as men, there is a set number of male players on each team, etc, that would be fine. But as soon as you bring GI into it you get absurdities. Like a mixed team being 100% male.

Still can't understand why genderwoo has such a hold on people. There's no reason to take account of it at all - totally irrelevant as a sporting factor.

I agree but they've nailed their colours to the mast pretty firmly that mixed netball is trans inclusive. It will be interesting to see if they have to backtrack down the road.

WandaSiri · 01/05/2025 20:53

sellotapeblues · 01/05/2025 20:28

Mixed netball is a long established part of the game, yes. Unfortunately England Netball have decided mixed netball will be decided by gender feels. So while women’s netball will be female born only, a mixed netball team can be 100% male. I just meant that unlike cricket or football or pool or pretty much any sport the overwhelming majority of people who play netball at all levels are women and girls. Representation is not an issue like it is in other sports so we don’t need to equalise opportunity within the sport for girls and women. But we absolutely do in cricket and chess and all the other male dominated sports for all the reason pp have said.

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I think they might run into problems offering mixed netball if some of the men count as women. It's not really a contact sport but the team with the most men will have an unfair advantage and women will have fewer spots. If they said that it was mixed, men counted as men, there is a set number of male players on each team, etc, that would be fine. But as soon as you bring GI into it you get absurdities. Like a mixed team being 100% male.

Still can't understand why genderwoo has such a hold on people. There's no reason to take account of it at all - totally irrelevant as a sporting factor.

sellotapeblues · 01/05/2025 20:28

ErrolTheDragon · 01/05/2025 15:31

i think they said on the lunchtime news that netball would now have single sex women’s and men’s, plus mixed.

Mixed netball is a long established part of the game, yes. Unfortunately England Netball have decided mixed netball will be decided by gender feels. So while women’s netball will be female born only, a mixed netball team can be 100% male. I just meant that unlike cricket or football or pool or pretty much any sport the overwhelming majority of people who play netball at all levels are women and girls. Representation is not an issue like it is in other sports so we don’t need to equalise opportunity within the sport for girls and women. But we absolutely do in cricket and chess and all the other male dominated sports for all the reason pp have said.

WandaSiri · 01/05/2025 16:07

clarrylove · 01/05/2025 15:02

I am a bit confused by this. Can they legally have a women's team and a mixed team and no men's team? I wonder if the men could claim discrimination if the women have a single sex league/team and they don't?

Thought you were talking about cricket! Sorry.