Guilty Feminist on Triggernometry

I couldn't get past the teaser clip!

I genuinely cannot see how he can say "Both antagonists have made successful careers telling their audiences what they want to hear (woke=good; woke=bad) and both seem to have rendered themselves mentally incapable of coping with another point of view."

It is ABSOLUTELY clear to me that, whilst no-one is perfect, KK and FF genuinely try to listen to different points of view, and not only that they are willing to change their minds if the arguments are good (they didn't start off gender critical like they are now did they?)

He has Deborah bang to rights though.

James Marriott is clearly a woke idiot and I cannot read any more of his moronic review.

'probably the single worst debate I have ever heard ' - that's making me feel like going back and persisting to the bitter end! 😂

It’s been reviewed by James Marriott in The Times. He gives it one star.

“probably the single worst debate I have ever heard...listening to this conversation is about as intellectually edifying as watching two drunks headbutt each other in a pub car park"

https://archive.is/28fGF

She is the new James O'Brien... increasing hard to endure over time, but immediately and entirely unlistenable the moment he released a book about "How not to be wrong"

Omg

so she doesn’t want comedians saying jokes as per Jimmy Carr re gypsies in case it enters the playground. And we can drive a car.

and can’t process the same analogy for children and the concept of trans because 2spirit innit.

Shes spent so long creating content and having everyone listen to her and her views, she hasnt given herself time to hear what the opposing views are.

Im trying to listen, but i can only stand so much at once. Its going to take forever to get through.

Totally. Posters up thread nailed it. Her arguments are all based on aesthetics and what is viewed as culturally normal.

Not sure Trigger guys gave the most effective responses to her assertions

the indigenous people argument wasn’t about transgender people. Trans has morphed into a pathological disorder which requires treatment. Thats the issue.

cultures that “allowed” ppl to be gender non conforming is a totally different thing. And our western society does “allow”gender non conformity. Granted it feels sexism has crept back in in the last decades or so, but you don’t get stoned for breaking gender stereotypes.

She doesn’t bloody listen.

she hears what she wants to hear

it’s like hearing the argument skills of a 6 yr old.

Omg I’m wading through this

wtf

Her arguments make no sense

especially after she sets out a landscape within which discourse is really important

😣

'Her absolute lack of empathy was astonishing'

I agree. She seemed pretty unmoved by KK and FF's stories about their own backgrounds towards the end of the interview. It was beyond inappropriate for her to try to psychoanalyze them like she did but she just kept pushing. She's already established that she's got no empathy whatsoever for women who want to keep men out of our spaces

I listened to the whole shebang yesterday. I dont think she went on to debate the other side, she went on to flog her book.

I agree. She doesn't need to persuade any of the podcast's audience. She just needs clips from the podcast that generate publicity. As much as we think it's nonsense, I imagine other people are seeing 'Guilty Feminist destroys right wing podcasters' in their social media feeds.

I think she genuinely (albeit without having thought at all deeply about it) that there are two sides in a culture war, and that if the side that is basically right (her side) were only willing and able to talk rationally with the other side, and vice versa, then the TRAs could make tiny compromises and the bigots on the other side would all agree with the new TRA-lite position.

I think that she genuinely believed that KK and FF are hard right bigots, and that she could tear them to shreds with her genius because she is an intelligent left-winger. She genuinely seems to believe that because she read some TRA propaganda on Australian aborigines she is some sort of elite level global intellectual. She genuinely seems to believe that she would impress the podcast audience (seemingly she seemed to think that she would convince their audience, and even if she failed she would win the debate because her audience would all watch and agree with her).

Her absolute lack of empathy was astonishing.

I found the whole 2 1/2 hours fascinating, because I find human psychology fascinating, and considering what the hell was going through her mind is just an beautiful endless intellectual challenge.

'I dont think she went on to debate the other side, she went on to flog her book'

Totally. I wonder if she's fuming with Johann Hari for telling her to go on there 😁

If anybody wants an antidote to the bus driving clowns and endless waffle, I recommend Julie Bindel's interview with Brendan O'Neill on his Spiked podcast (YouTube). He has been a steadfast supporter of GC women and really understands the impact of the gender madness on women and girls. Julie is a frigging rockstar as usual. She shared a bit about her own personal reaction to the SC judgement which was really interesting and moving

I listened to the whole shebang yesterday. I dont think she went on to debate the other side, she went on to flog her book.

Outside of gender bollocks ( cancellation, EDI initiatives etc) some of her points were valid, but nothing a GCSE politics student couldn't have come up with.

But when it came to gender, she had to resort to analogies so thinly stretched they were wafer thin (bus driver clowns, very select number of indigenous groups, Oscar wildes hair). Had KK been more on top of this as a subject matter, could have been torn to shreds. He didn't even land that sex and gender are not the same thing. As many have posted before, her arguments were largely based around, " if only we could stop noticing men pretending to be women, every would be fine". I think we just need to squint our eyes a bit more ladies.

Her fake shock at KK saying indigenous people were wiped out because western civilizations were more technologically advanced was a lovely example of how TRAs take perfectly ordinary facts, and make them shocking things that are not true and must not be said. I am sure I heard a Buttergasp at some point.

The faux psychoanalysis at the end was so so so bad, but she kept going. Heading into dicier and dicier territory.

I found her voice very irritating. They let her drone on way too much. But most of all, she identifies as a comedian??? I have had funnier smear tests.

(I went on the listen to the next one. It was a Pro Trump dude. Didn't agree with much of what he said, and in places he was truly scary, but he made arguments waaaayyyyy more cohesively than Victoria. No wonder people are heading over to the right. They aren't wanging on about indigenous bus driver clowns.)

Did they ask her whether the bus driving clowns worn appropriate shoes for driving buses?

The analogy fails on many levels. But it also introduces significant safety aspects.

That’s extremely well put, and gets to the essence of what is important in the debate. Also shows the clown argument for trans women acceptance as women for all purposes as being shallow and poorly considered-thank you!

One phrase that she really should consider dropping is "You are saying that...". Especially when it usually wasn't what he was saying. Switching to "Are you saying that...?" or "Doesn't that imply that..."? and actually listening to the answer would make the conversation less hostile.

I can’t get over her use of “Guilty” in her name so have never bothered to listen to her or read her.

I don't think they were aiming to destroy her nonsense though. As they said, they view it as a chance for her to present her ideas and them to interrogate them, and them to present their ideas and her to interrogate them, and the viewers can get a good sense of what each thinks. She got very defensive and accusatory "You're saying white people are superior!" at minor pushback. They want conversations not drama, so navigated it pretty gently with her while still making it clear they disagreed on various things, in order to keep it conversational.

"Kk pointed out indigenous populations are only 0.00000001% of the planets population."

How is indigenous being defined here?

IIRC, KK did ask about indiginous Chinese and Muslim communities and just got an “erm, erm, well they’re not in the book I can’t research everything you know” kind of flustered response which was incredibly telling (and again, unintentionally funny)

She and he were talking about the Australian indigenous people

Listening to this now, I'll never be able to take her seriously again she is so touchy and unable to make a coherent argument and she's the one that just wrote a book! I'm also fairly sure that indigenous peoples have complained about the tra use of the concept two spirit and say it doesn't apply within that context.