Pulled up at work for ‘trans views’

You were setting an excellent example to your junior colleagues, just not the one the senior management wanted, in their deluded gender fantasy land!

You didnt do anything wrong I would have done same.

I might have asked if it’s still legal to force the label ‘cis’ on a woman, in light of the SC judgement.

Your work culture sounds insufferable.

The irony of being told off for how you as a woman want to identify, whilst simultaneously I’m sure you’d also be told off for not respecting how others (and lets face it, usually men), identify.

It’s a joke.

But. I thought people had the right to self identify?
The OP doesn't identify as 'cis' and neither do thousands of other women.
Why should she have to accept an identification imposed on her?

Cis or cisgender (look them up) just means someone who isn't trans. That's all. What they asked was correct and valid.

Could you not have omitted to be critical and just said 'My experience of living as a woman is...'? It wouldn't have offended anyone but you'd still have got your point across.

Making a point about 'cis' and then refusing to answer will have come across as obstructive.

The SC judgment doesn't make any difference to the law here.

As others have said, post Forstater your beliefs are definitely protected.

I think it's also worth noting that if your employer is paying for advice from lobbying groups rather than equality lawyers, they are likely to be breaking the law, but they may have no recourse as the lobbying group will claim that they weren't giving legal advice.

I don't know whether this falls into your area of responsibility in the company, or whether it's your duty to make them aware of this.

I would find it very interesting that it's ok for someone to self-identify as agender, asexual and ask for 'they' to be used, but it's not for you to self-identify as a woman.

Don't think it's OP that needs their training updatjng.

As a GC feminist who works in HR, the Forstater case has been invaluable for ‘constructively challenging’ the ‘be kind and inclusive’ approach. The high court judgement has sent some people crazy; but I just calmly say it’s clarification of existing legislation and we must ensure we’re legally compliant. With a little smile.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/the-workplace/gender-critical-your-rights-at-work/

print this off and pass to your work

The put in writing is a great idea. I would be interested for them to identify where in any legislation women are referred to as cis women.

I was asked what equality meant to me and I answered that it meant nothing to me and all the time I experience misogyny and have to listen to banter about my hidden disabilities I wouldn’t be tiptoeing around people with other protected characteristics because until equality reaches everyone it’s not equality at all.

How?

So a colleague has decided they are Asexual and want to be called they and your company has thought “finally! Thank fuck we can show how inclusive we are”. Then they have proceeded to exclude you for not playing along? As suggested previously, explain that you are inclusive of TQ* but you are a woman and you haven’t labelled yourself cis, you don’t go around applying labels to people and you expect the same courtesy.

They were right!

I very much like the idea of getting them to put their views in writing.

Once they've done that and assuming what you received is nonsense I'd ask them whether the person who set out their position is fully informed about:
Forstater vs Centre for Global Development Europe, decided by the Employment Appeal Tribunal, and
For Women Scotland vs the Scottish Ministers, decided by the Supreme Court.

Then wait to see if they come back with a more sophisticated position. Minimise what you say, make them do the running.

Do this. Summarise the discussion in writing and ask the key questions so they absolutely put it in writing. This a great opportunity to start fighting back against this crap (and well done for what you said in the training as well).

Oh, Sooo this👆

Slightly not the point of the thread, but why should someones sexual preferences, or lack thereof require inclusivity training? If Diane from accounts announced she liked dogging on the weekend would you all be expected to have some training?
The fact that the man wants everyone to call him 'they' strikes me as just attention seeking. But isn't it always about making sure everyone knows how special you are?

And the fact that a healthcare business is giving any time to accommodating the belief that humans can change sex....🙄

I will absolutely not be called a cis anything!
My bloods boiling on your behalf op. Sounds like you dealt with it well too.
Yes, good idea from Puttinginthemiles

Oh please send this, it’s brilliant. (I’d be scared to do so though, which shows how deep rooted the problem is because this response is absolutely right).

I believe it was the Alison Bailey case where cis was brought up - Ben Cooper said she would not use it because of her GC views which are legally protected.