Pulled up at work for ‘trans views’

How can someone be agender and they/them? I could understand if it was 'agenda' and they wanted to be addressed like they were a committee.

Your place of employment didn't get the memo.

We don't have to put up with bullshit like this any more OP. The term cis is made up by gender-ideologits to differentiate between 'born' women and trans-woman. We are now allowed to admit that a trans-woman is just that, a 'trans-woman', therefore we don't need to use a differentiator.

If your work are keen on respect and progression, they might want to keep abreast with the news and read the room. Twats - I would 100% ask them to explain their concerns in writing.

This could escalate things that will otherwise go away, but if you think it is going to rumble on then you need a written record. This would involve writing to the person who pulled you up outlining what you have said above (what happened at the meeting and subsequent interview) and saying that your belief that the term ‘cis women’ is exclusionary and is not respectful of women is protected in law (ref. Maya Forstater v CGD Europe and others).

Nope.

It implies a belief that the individual's gender aligns with their sex.

It would perhaps be more accurate to describe the OP as agender, like the colleague whose announcement instigated the training.

"Agender is a term used by individuals who do not identify with any specific gender or who experience a lack of gender altogether."

This might even describe a majority experience.

I’m sorry you’ve been questioned for asserting your own experiences. It’s absolutely mad.

Definitely get them to commit to themselves on paper and clarify exactly what they mean so they can’t wriggle out of it.

Always amuses me how 'inclusion ' seems to exclude those who don't conform to the gender woo.

I'd be asking her what she's doing to make you feel included.

Surely imposing 'cis' on someone who doesn't believe in gender is like imposing 'infidel' or 'heretic' on someone for their lack of specific religious beliefs?

Then work needs to change. Not OP.

Ultimately OP, the BeKinders like this one are telling you that your experiences, your self-identity, your feeling your words are Not Acceptable. That somehow, it's all on you to avoid the landmines of "offending" the Special People's feelings. So now you have to be scolded for "You should have done this/said that/gone along with it"

Always amuses me how 'inclusion ' seems to exclude those who don't comfort yo the gender woo.

I'd be asking her what she's doing to make you feel included.

I would email them. Something along the lines of:

Following our recent conversation during which you expressed that my behaviour at a recent compulsory training was unacceptable, I wonder whether you might do me the courtesy of explaining in writing precisely how my ‘behaviour’ and comments meet this description. I would draw your attention to Forstater v CGD 2021 and the recent Supreme Court ruling clarifying the EA2010, along with the ECHR interim guidance, both of which a) set out the law on this matter and frame my own legal rights with respect to my place of employment and b) highlight that inclusivity and tolerance applies to all parties in the workplace.

I look forward to receiving a written explanation shortly.

And cc HR.

I'd ask them to put their concerns in writing. Then respond that the trainer assumed your gender identity without asking you. And that nobody should be forced to "out" their personal beliefs or identity in a work environment - as @OuterSpaceCadet suggested. Point out that you actually set a great example for junior colleagues to politely refuse to answer questions about their identity.

Then ask if, in the light of the many court cases in this area, (reference a few) someone from Sex Matters should be brought in to talk about how to be inclusive of sex realist beliefs in the workplace.

I agree with everyone who has suggested asking them to explain in writing why they believe your behaviour was unacceptable and why it demonstrated you are not being “inclusive.”

You didn’t say anything offensive or anything suggestive of you not being “inclusive.” You we’re perfectly polite. I think you could go on the offensive though and submit a grievance about how uncomfortable the cack-handed trainer, who should have taken the cue from your first answer and not pressed you further, made you feel and that since then you are feeling there is an intimidating and/or hostile working environment because of your beliefs. This was worsened by some informal reprimand several days later. Use all of the terminology from their workplace behaviour policies back at them!

If trans women are women and women are cis women where does the circle end? Does that mean trans women can identify as cis women and cis women can become trans women so that trans women can drop the trans label?

It's backwards frankly. We are women. We're not a subset of women. We produce large immobile gametes, we contain female organs, we have XX chromosomes, we develop physically differently and we have the capacity to carry and birth a baby or we have disorders specific to the female physiology that men cannot have that prevent us from doing so.

If some they/them wants to be respected and called they/them then they can have the same bloody respect for us and drop the cis label. It's unneeded and unnecessary and frankly an assumption of how someone identifies which goes against their own ideology of "be kind".

The mood I'm in about this right now, my advice is lawyer up and go on the attack!

However, a more moderate approach but one which still gives you protection should it be needed is to ask them to put down what they said in writing, with reference to English law.

If management have said your behaviour was unacceptable then ask them to put it in writing. If you don't know what they think is wrong then you cannot change your behaviour and therefore will always be wrong and you will end up being formally disciplined.

Put it back on them.

I would be compiling an email based on the points mentioned in this thread and asking them to address their concerns in writing.

Just so you have a paper trail OP.

'Cis or cisgender (look them up) just means someone who isn't trans’

It means this to some people but not all people believe this. Therefore it shouldn’t be imposed.

"Also that as a nurse in a senior position, I should be setting an example for junior colleagues"

As a nurse in a senior position, surely you are right to stick to the very foundation of your career - biology and science?!

I find the CIS word very offensive OP and would have reacted just as you did. Hold firm. Question them in writing as others have suggested.

Forstater means that we don't have to go along with the nonsense if we feel it is to our detriment.

We should be free to express this without fear of getting disciplined for saying that we find cis an unacceptable word that offends us.

If they want to use it, then they can. But they can not force us to go along with it.

As the OP does not have a gender identity, the OP is technically agender when using the description kindly provided by Wiki (sorry).

"Agender is a gender identity that can mean different things to different people, such as being without gender, neutral, or rejecting the concept of gender. Learn about the history, community, flag, and variations of agender on this wiki page."

Oh, here's Chris again. Coercively assuming somebody else's gender. The massive hypocrite.

Only if you believe in genderwoo.

You've been quiet recently Chris. The SC ruling must have really stung you.

Agender is not a protected characteristic, sex is.
If the agender person has the right to name themselves and have respect from other members of staff, why don't you?