Pulled up at work for ‘trans views’

Check out the Maya Forstater's interview with Triggernometry. If you go to around 53 minutes in she talks about what happened with her job. It might help you. The whole interview is great. What an amazing woman she is in the way she dealt with this.

100% agree.

The terms 'Cis woman' and ' Cis man' should go in the bin, IMO.
'Woman' and 'Man' are all that is needed.

You might think that but there are several, seemingly contradictory, meanings of “asexual”.

I have nothing against being trans or asexual or anything else and I happily identify as a cis woman; that’s my choice. I would never try and tell another woman she is a cis woman. I feel this is the wrong way round, you are being reprimanded for being told what you identify as!? Surely you can identify how you like - they need to review their training!

Yes, put it on the record. Ask them in writing to clarify their position on it.

One of the things that really annoys me about the whole trans argument thing, is that they are so concerned with what everyone calls them but have zero empathy for biological women who object to being called cis. Consideration works both ways.

Anyway, enough about you, can we talk about me now!

OP I couldn't let this go without getting it committed to paper/email. You are on their radar now anyway as 'one of those GC women' so I'd be wanting their position in writing, or at least no rebuttal from them if you email them your understanding of the situation so far.

Why does 'being inclusive' never include being inclusive people with gender critical views i.e. reality.

Yep. I'm a woman because I'm an adult human female, no other reason, no other qualifications. There are, or should be, no further implications attached.

The Free Speech Union is not a trades union. It is a campaigning organisation founded by Tory peer Lord Young when he was just plain Toby Young.

The label ‘cis’ comes from an ideology that has been imposed on us without consent. This language is coercive. We never agreed to be redefined.

It's trans people who need to identify themselves as such (if they want to obviously). Everyone else are men and women, that needs no extra words or explanation. Man, Woman, Trans Man, Trans Woman, the cis is totally unnecessary. I guess you could have rephrased the question as, 'you mean my experience of life not being a trans person'.

This and then this again and again and again; when will they learn 🥹

Indeed. I consider myself a woman in the original sex-based meaning. In contexts where "woman" is being taken as a mental gender I "identify" as an agender female and am happy to have a conversation about what that means to me, the challenges that come with it and why being assumed to be a "cis woman" is so offsensive and erasing of a marginalised group.

What a load of bollocks! They''re allowed be called anything they like and you can't say you are a woman!
Exactly what one poster said, ask them for their concerns in writing. I bet they won't do that and if they do they'll come off looking even crazier.

You could simply reply by saying: “I refer you to the outcome in the case of Forstater v CGD.”

The Supreme Court Judgement only affected definition of sex in the EA.

People can continue to use 'cis' if they want, and other people can continue to find it offensive.

That's funny, because all this gender idealogy came in long before he was in power.

Spot on.

I'd be sending an email to my manager and copying HR in about discrimination against my beliefs. Beliefs are, as I understand it, a protected characteristic in the equality act, and I would make sure I documented the conversation where he pulled me up in the email so there is a written record. I would also include information on the supreme court ruling stating that transwomen are men.

Sorry if someone has already explained this but in light of the SC judgement, the term in effect doesn’t exist.

previously we were told

‘cis’ women’ plus trans women = Women

but that’s isn’t true

biological women (which includes trans men) =women

and VV

cis doesn’t exist. Trans women sits as a subset of biological men

You might want to look up Havel’s grocer. There are many threads that quote it on FWR.
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I would have said I don't see myself as a cis woman (I'm mid 50s so that terminology wasn't something I was bought up with) but I understand some other people do identify me that way. To me, I'm just a middle aged woman and what parts of my life experience do they want clarification on? My age is probably a bigger part of how people see me now than my sex as I'm almost a "boomer". I would probably say I don't like being identified by my age as I do think a lot of younger people make assumptions about "boomers" (the term nearly always used negatively) or those who could be seen as such.

A lot of negativity around older people these days so in that way I can identify with people who feel judged because of assumptions others make.

True, some more than others.

The term cis women is not acceptable to women.
It is not a term many women agree with since it is used by a community to remove the title women
They were disingenuous in using it to refer to you.

I would therefore declare that courtesy works both ways.
You did nothing wrong, they did. They know women do not agree with their terminology and yet insist everyone bows down to whatever terminology they want everyone else to use.

I would not acknowledge such a question.