Pulled up at work for ‘trans views’

My own personal view is that 'cis' is a dangerous term that I will not accept because it's an effort to make society accept that women are a sub-category of men rather than a sex class in their own right.
In terms of trying to be tactful with your employers, if you need/have/want to be, I suppose the answer has to be 'I have as much right to ask to be addressed correctly - that is, as a woman, not a ciswoman, as my colleague has to be addressed as' they'.
Of course, none of it makes any sense because in terms of feelings, if you're talking about your colleague as he/she/they, he/she/they won't be there and won't hear you so why the hell would it matter. Whereas calling you a ciswoman to your face is offensive because you are actually there to be offended.
Fundamentally though the point stands and I'm afraid if on person is making demands, it cannot possibly be wrong for another to make an equivalent demand.

OP if you ever get the chance to put on training for your team about being a woman and how it impacts you, or if this escalates my advice would be to use the term ‘penis person’ instead of man/male etc. Talk about ‘penis privilege’ and how all penis people have the same potential for offending, and have physical strength power over women no matter how they choose to identify or what they choose to wear.

if anyone gets offended just say “penis person isn’t offensive, it’s just a descriptor, only a bigot would be offended by such a word, it simply means the opposite of woman ….’

I kick against this ludicrous assumption as hard as I possibly can.

My workplace gets 100% of my professional self. They are entitled to no more. As to my sexuality, personal beliefs, views on particular belief systems and the current state of my emotional wellbeing - an insight into which they constantly seem to be demanding - that shit’s private.

The only people not allowed to tell others how they identify appear to be biological women not submitting to the trans ideology. Funny, that.

OMG I hope I never find myself in a meeting like that. I wouldn't be able to hold it in. I think you did very well.

It’s a bloody joke!
I would have said the same. I don’t think I’d have even know what a cis woman is.. I am a woman!

Transwomen are men for the purpose of the Equality Act as per the law -that is not transphobia, it is stating legal fact. Ie transwomen are men for all relevant purposes when deciding how they interact with women in single sex spaces/services/facilities

Transwomen are biologically men - this is the natural conclusion (both in common sense, scientifically and over venture obiter from the SC ruling)

Under what definition are you saying transwomen are women? Stereotypes? Because no other basis of classification is left now.

Exactly. It's funny how women are screamed at for making trans people 'debate their existence'...yet they are erasing women and forcing women to debate their existence...

No it doesn’t - it means someone who accepts a gender and says that it aligns with their sex

many people reject gender and don’t want to be tagged as agender or whatever the latest is

many women if forced might say actually I don’t know how I am different to any man - but I don’t want to be labelled as a transman and I would rather not harm my physical body to help other people stop being such sexist bastards as to assume things about me because of my sex

Transwomen are trans because they are men - it’s the definition
no woman can be a transowmen

It will be a cold day in hell before I describe myself as someone who "isn't trans."

Cis is a term used in chemistry. It describes the arrangement of some atoms. It was co-opted in an attempt to create two subsets of women.
If people chose to use it for themselves, good for them. You can't force others to accept it or to use it.

Sorry not read the thread but really were they forcing a gender on you?

everyone has a sex
not everyone has a gender

I think this contravenes the Equality Act - I’m sure someone with better legal knowledge will advise - but these things need calling out- the govt needs to issue urgent guidance

Trans women are not men.

Man = adult human male. What happens when a man says 'I identify as a woman' that stops them being an adult human male?

Inclusivity works two ways and right now it is not. Not everyone feels the need, or is comfortable, to enforce or advertise their gender in other peoples faces.

Referring to women as cis is, as far as I am concerned, gender misappropriation and I take offence at that.

I believe in gender in the same way that I believe in any other social construct. However I don’t have a gender identity. I have found social and societal interactions to have been based on my biological sex regardless of whether or not I feel feminine.

Ironically the only time that I have been chastised for not adopting the signifiers of femininity has been by transwomen who look ‘too male’ if they don’t. Because they don’t understand the lived experience of girls and women, which includes misogyny, they think I have it easy.

This is good but add a paragraph about how they broke the law.
The Forester case settled the matter; your gender critical beliefs (and the believe that “cis” doesn’t exist) is a protected characteristic. By reprimanding, they discriminated against your legally protected beliefs. You should put that into an email to the people who held the meeting plus HR. The recent Supreme Court ruling also clears it up, that a woman is a biological female. The word “cis” doesn’t come into it. Again, this is a legally protected belief and it is discrimination to demand you change your ways or bully you for it or reprimand you for it.

I don't think the OP needs to explain their beliefs.

It's just the law that the OP's beliefs are protected - particularly in a large organisation like the NHS (If that is the OP's employer), that should be enough.

Say what you want, but according to the laws of both genetics and the supreme court, trans women are certainly not women.

I would've answered the question as best I could, but struggled to, while stating at the same time I don't use or agree with the word 'cis'.

The question is weird anyway, 'my experience of living as a woman'? Erm, well blood comes out of my vagina for about 12 weeks a year, I've been raped by men using their penis, sometimes I wear a skirt...?'

I guess you just have to avoid getting I to conversations about such things in the workplace. Realistically it's unlikely to come up. Presumably you are just supposed to call that one person 'they/them'. If you don't want to then just refer to them by name.

They broke the law. Are you wanting to point this out to them, or do you want to leave it?

The Forester case settled the matter; your gender critical beliefs (and the believe that “cis” doesn’t exist) is a protected characteristic. By reprimanding, they discriminated against your legally protected beliefs. You should put that into an email to the people who held the meeting plus HR. The recent Supreme Court ruling also clears it up, that a woman is a biological female. The word “cis” doesn’t come into it. Again, this is a legally protected belief and it is discrimination to demand you change your ways or bully you for it or reprimand you for it. I think you need to send that email, but you may not want to.

Transphobia means a phobia (fear) of trans.
There is no such thing as trans as scientifically no-one can transition sex nor can they legally.
There is no fear- just a clarification of science / language / reality.
so transphobia can’t / doesn’t exist.

and Transwomen are men - that is 100% what they are biologically / scientifically / legally as just confirmed by the Supreme Court.

A transwoman is a man who identifies with women and would like to live that life - but is still a man - once born a man or woman that is what you remain for ever - it’s not possible to change that biologically or legally.

What makes a trans woman a woman though? Can you explain please

I agree with others that a written response is what's needed. In it, I would frame the interaction at the training as:

"I have been inclusive to my colleagues and have made every effort not to offend, including through misgendering. However at the training I myself was misgendered, and then later admonished by management when I calmly and courteously corrected the trainer. I do not identify as a "Cis woman". I have seen the term "Cis" defined as referring to a person whose gender identity is aligned with their biological sex, or who is comfortable with the cultural and social expectations attached to their sex. This is not the case for me, because I do not experience the phenomenon of feeling a gender identity, and because I believe that many gemdered social and cultural expectations are rooted in sexist sterotypes and are therefore harmful and to be rejected. For me, my identity as a woman is rooted in my biological sex and I do not claim a gender. My colleague, who also does not feel they have a gender, identifies as "agender", and I respect that. For me, my identity as a woman is rooted in biology so I wouldn't want to be called "agender", a term that suggests I don't consider myself a woman. I am a woman, but I don't consider myself "Cis". I believe that this, my lived experience and genuine sense of self, is as worthy of respect as any of my colleagues' identities. I did not appreciate having my identity assumed at the training, being put on the spot to declare and justify that identity without having volunteered to do so, and then being reprimanded for being honest about my own experience of my personal identity."

If transwomen are not men then why do they call themselves “transwomen”. If they are women they could just call themselves women, but somehow they need to keep that little reminder that they were once men, with the entitlement and superiority that brings with it, and when they decided they wanted to become women it was on the understanding that they will henceforth be seen as just a tad superior to women who have unfortunately always been women, because transwomen come with the kudos of having once been men.