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I’m about to start a new job working with a TRA and I’m nervous

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abitnervousohbugger · 30/04/2025 12:30

This person will not be my colleague as such as works for a different organisation, but I will be working closely with him. I have just looked at his social media (work profile) out of interest and he seems very much a trans rights activist. Which I don’t have a problem with at its core, I just don’t think they are the same as women’s rights. But he seems to think they are. Or rather, he clearly has no interest or sympathy with women’s rights.

Anyway. I don’t know why but I just feel worried and disappointed. This person is a big voice in my new area and I am very new and junior and weak. It makes me doubt myself. And it makes me angry that this self important bloke (he isn’t trans by the way) can make really loud opinions on social media, despite representing a small charity, but that my tiny little opinion that women should be able to access services without men however they identify would be perceived as vile and bigoted. I just feel like I’m constantly having to defend my brain from being brainwashed by gender ideology. I feel like I’ve stumbled onto the wrong planet sometimes. The people I used to agree with the most about fairness and equality and justice just hate women. Just fucking hate them.

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TheAmusedQuail · 30/04/2025 13:05

The only people I've ever talked politics with at work were very very good friends. Politics have no place at work. Neither does religion.

Wetoldyousaurus · 30/04/2025 13:05

In the charities sector you will need to have your game face well primed on this if you want your career to survive. Be prepared with a clean exit route out of this job if you need it. These men are baying for blood right now and if you are vulnerable they will find you and destroy you. Clean up your social media, and don’t say anything remotely about women’s rights to anyone. At least not while this guy is in a senior position to you.

Look, jobs are just jobs. Leave your true ‘self’ at home and play the game so you can make your living. I know it’s not fair - it never is. This man gets to bring his whole misogynistic self to work and flaunt his hatred of women all over the internet and you need to watch every word you say if you want to feed yourself. It’s just reality, you need to learn to play the game - not just on this issue either. I learned far too late and I’m still hopeless at it and my career is totally rubbish as a result.

Maya Forstater gave a word of caution like this in a recent interview and it surprised me but I also appreciated her realism and her understanding that not everyone can afford the risk to do what she did, even now. So unless you have a trust fund, or a very good plan C, just put your head down, watch, listen and say as little as possible.

Lentilweaver · 30/04/2025 12:58

I work with many TRAs ( they are all straight women being kind) and they all think I am one of them. I don't air my GC views or religious views in the workplace. There may come a time when I will, but not now.

WearyLady · 30/04/2025 12:51

Will your job involve working with him on neutral activities (i.e. not related to single-sex setrvices or whatever)? If so, can't you just keep your head down and minimise commumication with him? After all, you probably wouldn't discuss your voting intentions with him or your religious beliefs so why would you discuss this? Having said that, I do sympathise with you. This stuff is a minefield.

JamieCannister · 30/04/2025 12:46

I would be starting a diary on day one, noting every single thing he says which suggests that he does not respect the sex based rights of women and LGB people

Islam is protected belief, and I suspect that being a TRA (in general terms) is protected. But, I also suspect that certain aspects of both Islam ("FGM is good, gay men should be in prison or killed") or TRA ("we need to end the sex based rights of women and LGB people") are not WORIADS and there is no more reason that you should be forced to listen to someone telling you that women don't deserve rights, than a gay man should be forced to tolerate a muslim colleague telling him homosexuality is illegal, and he will go to hell and should go to prison.

Lentilweaver · 30/04/2025 12:41

I wouldn't look for a new job but would try to minimise interaction if possible.

BottomsByTheirTops · 30/04/2025 12:41

I would be concerned too.
i would aim to try and keep doing my job to the best of my ability and certainly would not aim to provoke in anyway.
i would be worried though that TRA’s are quite adept at noticing individuals who don’t believe and that would then lead to active pursuit and attempts to get me to state my position. Which then would require advanced level grey stoning to avoid it all blowing up. I would be able to keep my mouth shut professionally, though it would offend my integrity but I’m not sure a TRA would respond similarly.

OhBuggerandArse · 30/04/2025 12:39

Absolutely honestly? I would look for a way not to work with him, and if that isn't possible I would look for a new job. You won't change his mind and you will be stressed beyond belief trying to second-guess everything you ever say or do. That is the effect that this poisonous ideology has on organisations.

abitnervousohbugger · 30/04/2025 12:38

By the way - he is posting these views all over SM, it would never have occurred to me to seek out what his thoughts were in this regard. But he is quite aggressive online.

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abitnervousohbugger · 30/04/2025 12:37

I’d be really surprised if it did come up. I have no intention of treating him differently to anyone else. But his arguments are misogynistic and that makes me uncomfortable.

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Lentilweaver · 30/04/2025 12:32

Why would your opionion on trans rights come up in the workplace? Can you not just treat him like anyone else?

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