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How to use email signature to push back against "preferred pronouns"?

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Albless · 29/04/2025 15:37

I'm a member of the clergy and I've noticed other clergy and admin staff increasingly have pronouns in brackets after their names in email signatures. The woman who manages my denomination's EDI team also has a clicky link explaining why the pronouns are there. The link takes you to a page of vagueness and mealy-mouthed nonsense.

I'd like to include an alternative in my own signature. So far I've just gone with a couple of lines saying that some in this denomination have pronouns in their signature, but I prefer Woman: adult human female. This seems a bit clunky though, and lacking in information for those for whom this is somehow new.

Any ideas on wording, and also an easy to understand webpage pushing back against pronouns which also gives people the chance to access more information.

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buckeejit · 01/05/2025 00:55

I really think you should remove that wording as some will find it provocative & hostile. I say this as a gender critical feminist myself-it does not offer anything positive & is irrelevant to most emails. Pronouns are too but doesn’t mean you need to retaliate other folk’s signatures with anything.

AliceMcK · 01/05/2025 00:26

i understand people saying a workplace is not the place to argue this point, but what really pisses me off is it’s ok for the other side to vocalise and publicise this, giving them a voice, them especially being so vocal looks like they are the ones with the majority, but they aren’t.

There is a time for quiet and there is a time to voice your opinion. If others are being vocal using work email ( which I think is an absolute NO!) Then you should be able to vocalise your position, even if it’s just by making sure your Ms, Miss or Mrs is in bold!

cornflourblue · 01/05/2025 00:16

Why do people even need to know in an email context?

If I'm Rev Sam Jones, then their reply to me surely is either Dear Rev Jones, or more informally, Dear Sam. What they call me to others is of no interest to me.

It's all such a load of bollox and I do judge those who include their pronouns in a signature.

Lovelyview · 01/05/2025 00:00

I was very pleased on a college Zoom that only two out of about 30 people had pronouns on their name. I think leaving off pronouns is enough of a statement at the moment.

RareGoalsVerge · 30/04/2025 23:43

A gender critical statement is totally inappropriate in anyone's email signature but even more so for any member of the clergy. You don't have to believe the magic genderwoo or perform their silly rituals of pretending that they have no idea which pronouns to use for you if you don't tell them. However, Jesus loves even those who do believe such things, and it's not your job to make them have a more rational approach to such things, just to let them know about that love.

My preference in your position would just be to not mention gender or pronouns at all in your signature. it isn't necessary to use that space in most cases. If you must use it, then you could just write: "Galatians 3:28" in the relevant space.

God will address each of these as "my precious child, my beloved" regardless of their beliefs on gender.

Pinkrabbitt · 30/04/2025 23:39

Even if your name is ambiguous what difference does it make whether the other persons knows your sex or not? I email a lot of people in my work and often assume someone is of one sex if its a name I'm unfamiliar with and I later find our they're of the opposite sex. It doesn't make any difference to how I treat them or respond to them. I had been merrily emailing someone for years who I thought was a man and then they connected with me on LinkedIn and I realised that they are a woman.

Genevieva · 30/04/2025 23:31

I have Mrs before my name. It’s rebellious in my context where pronouns and Ms dominate.

Rev. Is not gendered. In other countries they combine them (Herr Dr) I honestly think that unless you actual name is ambiguous you name should be enough. Rebel by having no pronouns and not explaining because your choice is self evident.

toffeeappleturnip · 30/04/2025 22:53

Pinkrabbitt · 29/04/2025 22:56

I agree that email signatures are not the place to put political statements.

Also not the place to put any protected characteristics. You don't see people writing:

Sarah Jones
African heritage
Lesbian
Dodgy knee

haha I love this

mine would be

Toffeeapple Turnip
White Northerner
Happily single but up for a shag
Tinnitus

AlexandraLeaving · 30/04/2025 22:30

Albless · 30/04/2025 13:46

Thanks for all the comments.

The pronouns irk me, to put it mildly, but I have decided that their absence speaks for itself so have taken my signature back to the usual full name and designation.

I will however, take a bit of time to read and think, and will contact the church EDI team about this issue, as the use of pronouns normalises a very harmful ideology.

Well done OP! This is a far more powerful strategy. 👏

FNDandme · 30/04/2025 14:07

Just don’t put pronouns on 🤷‍♀️

Albless · 30/04/2025 13:46

Thanks for all the comments.

The pronouns irk me, to put it mildly, but I have decided that their absence speaks for itself so have taken my signature back to the usual full name and designation.

I will however, take a bit of time to read and think, and will contact the church EDI team about this issue, as the use of pronouns normalises a very harmful ideology.

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dudsville · 30/04/2025 09:27

I agree with the silence. When I get an email from someone I don't jump to their signature to learn more about them. I read the content of the email and think about the reply. The sender's address is in the "letterhead" of the email, so I don't even really take on board the signature. That said, I think it should be kept to name and designation. When we've been invited over the years to add pronouns, it was more interesting to me to see who didn't. Similarly when we were invited to add a pic of ourselves - most of us ignored that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/04/2025 09:23

I would just not have them.

If I were forced to include a statement (which seems very unlikely now) I would put something like, "I don't tell other people what pronouns to use."

PriOn1 · 30/04/2025 09:20

Hypercatalectic · 29/04/2025 17:10

As a member of the clergy, would you put which party you vote for in your email signature? (spoiler: I hope not!)
I think you should leave pronouns off, it says enough without saying anything. Personally, I wouldn’t like to see either a GC statement or pronouns (or a political party) in my vicar’s email signature.

My minister has indicated she is anti-Trump and pro-Palestine during a sermon. I thought it was highly unprofessional, even those are positions I know many would think weren’t that controversial.

BlondiePortz · 30/04/2025 09:14

Just don't do it you can't be forced too so just dont

Peacepleaselouise · 30/04/2025 08:59

I agree. Dignified silence is much better. You aren’t subject to the same employment rules as an office holder but just purely for pastoral reasons I wouldn’t put a big long link. I’m gender critical but I want those I work with going through gender distress to not be alienated by me. In my experience people are more likely to think you have a valid point once they realise you genuinely and actually care about them.

Greenartywitch · 30/04/2025 08:51

You are making your own statement by not adding pronouns already.

Phunkychicken · 30/04/2025 08:18

Can you just put 'Child of God' or if really pushed 'Daughter of God', surely that's a more important identity and one I'm planning on using when work makes them mandatory

ErrolTheDragon · 30/04/2025 08:15

DuchessofReality · 29/04/2025 19:56

In your place the most I would put it is to put (Mr) or (Ms) or whatever your title is if it makes it clear what sex you are. Rev Dr (which you might be?) clearly wouldn't help though.

Question to everyone else - if I put Sam Jones (Ms) then I hope it shows that although my name could be used by either sex, I am female but don't want to join in this she/her nonsense. Do you agree?

If on the other hand my name was Felicity Smith or Kevin Black, I don't think it would work so well as the name makes it obvious and in that case the title may be seen as exactly the same as the virtue signalling she/her.

She doesn’t need to make her sex clear in an email signature. It’s one of the reasons feminists object to pronouns statements - reduces the chance of stereotypes kicking in before someone has even met you. Having an unsexed title too is good!

user101101 · 30/04/2025 08:13

People are tired enough with political statements coming left, right and centre, I would just leave them refreshingly blank.

LittleBitofBread · 30/04/2025 08:12

I would go for a Shakespearean 'gracious silence' on pronouns.

JumpingPumpkin · 30/04/2025 08:00

Agree that simply not having them is a statement in itself. If anyone asks then explain that you believe they are sex based and not preferred or requested.

That perfect as a role model for others.

Pinkrabbitt · 29/04/2025 22:56

I agree that email signatures are not the place to put political statements.

Also not the place to put any protected characteristics. You don't see people writing:

Sarah Jones
African heritage
Lesbian
Dodgy knee

shrinkingthiswinter · 29/04/2025 22:50

Yeah, some idiocy is best ignored. This issue is looking more and more toxic by the day as trans activists show more of themselves. The pronoun people will gradually give over.

VivaDixie · 29/04/2025 22:46

Hamabeed · 29/04/2025 22:31

When the pronouns on email signature thing first came in a few years ago at my workplace (an incredibly captured charity) my brilliant boss at the time said she wouldn’t be putting hers up and she would take her chances being misgendered.

I love this and may use it when needed:

'I will take my chances being misgendered' 🤣