BMA beclowning themselves over the SC judgement

I am genuinely concerned that qualified doctors can make statements like this and claim to represent the profession.

From the statement, the argument is not just that it's impossible to draw conclusions about sex because there are very rare anomalies - the anti-vax argument - but that medicine should not be evidence based.

I think the GMC should be providing reassurance that this is not representative.

This explains why sex is binary in 5 mins. It's very clear and includes info re dsd's

https://x.com/zaelefty/status/1916184746431836369/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1916184746431836369&currentTweetUser=zaelefty&mode=profile

I'm genuinely concerned about doctors who don't understand what sex is and why we define it.

Do vets have the same problem?

This doesn't surprise me many Dr are deeply embedded in this with no real proof to back up what they have been doing and I think many are scared. An old friend of mine was actually the lead Dr at the gender clinic in my city, sadly we aren't close anymore as I was banished for being too uncool and having GC views like we shouldn't be giving kids puberty blockers or cross sex hormones.

This friend of mine who was up until this point a good doctor just loved the cache they felt they obtained in certain circles from being involved in this work, loved flying off to present on trans healthcare. This is someone who is highly intelligent but also deeply unthinking and very much seduced by anything they felt was cool or edgy. Perhaps not really the mentality you want in a doctor!

Anyway for the past year they have slowly been trying to extract themselves from this line of work and distance themselves from the whole thing. I suspect their is real fear of consequences coming down the line for doctors who provided these kinds of "treatments" especially in regards to very young women and girls.

The SC ruling shows which way the wind is blowing and it must be terrifying to some of these Doctor's the BMA represents.

FFS! No mention of women and theirs rights to get protected again. Hopefully the main organisation may act with actual science and lawfulness. Won't hold my breath though. 😡

I'm not sure I really know what it means for a motion to be passed in these circumstances. might it be able to sneak through based on support from a few extremists and being ignored by the majority?

My current understanding is that there are two different situations.

Intersex is when a person has both male and female characteristics. There is an intersex person on YT who went through 2 puberties where they first grew breasts and then went through a male puberty. There is a another example in the literature of a woman who had had 3 children via normal pregnancies and had a Y chromosome.

DSD is when the person is still male or female i.e. XX or XY but has an issue with the development of their genitalia. This could be the Imane Khalif/Caster Semenya where there penis/testicles where internal so were thought to be a girl, but then went through a male puberty, or even someone who has normal penis but the opening is on the side rather the tip.

I am very surprised. I hope its fake, or they manage to convince us that its is fake.

Sex is never assigned at birth, it is established at conception. Even intersex.

Yeah, mine does too, for £23 a month. Not as bad as these crazies though. I glaze over when (mostly white hetero men) union officials start talking about this. Whatever.

I'm a BMA member and this most certainly does not represent my views!

A meeting of a handful of people cannot claim to represent thousands of doctors.

Does BMA stand for Barking Mad Adolescents? The BMA Committee voted that the Cass Report was rubbish and transphobic, but it transpired that it comprised about 70 members and that the rank and file had been excluded.

I'd love these doctors to explain how the many sex specific conditions apply if sex doesn't really exist .

This just speaks to why we have sex based discrimination against women baked into healthcare.

It seems to be real. One doctor in the Reddit thread said they voted in favour of the motion and a couple of others said they abstained.

Not sure this is real

the bluesky comment has been deleted

the X conference hashtag doesn't mention it

Doctors sub Reddit is generally unimpressed with vote
https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorsUK/comments/1k97tti/britishmedicalassociationconferencecalls/
Although I note someone's comment that the top voted comment was deleted. Iirc it was reality based rather than hurty feelings.

Beclowning is up there with enshittening.

Well I’ve never heard of the word ‘beclowning’ before but it’s instantly become my favourite word 😻

All this “taking stances” and recognising/condemning things is like a cross between a French Revolution committee and a 6th form debating society of particularly self-absorbed wankers.

Gosh. The medical establishment is way more captured than I thought.

Why is there Americanised spelling (I.e., recognize)? .. points to ChatGPT writing it.

She might be, I haven’t looked into her beliefs. I just know we (GPs) needed a unified approach to dealing with the last govt and likely this one too which is why I joined after 15 years of being a doctor.

Hold on - is the Union that Dr Upton consulted with???

For any Scots who remembers, Ricky Fultons Supercop, wait a minute, your having a laugh, really? 🤣😂😆

It is unbelievable to think the BMA have done this, eyeballs.