‘Rights can be knocked out in a second’: older transwomen shocked by SC ruling

I think there was always an agenda, but it didn’t take off until Stonewall (in the U.K. at any rate) achieved its aim (equal age of consent & equal marriage) & faced the choice of disbanding, doing something difficult & fraught with danger (campaigning for LGB rights overseas) or shifting focus.

They chose the lucrative & - what must have seemed - easier option.

I suspect a lot of the assaults take place in the context of gay sexual relationships.

I'm absolutely sick of this claim that all of these people are the "most vulnerable", as well as the "most lovely".

As someone else has suggested I'd say that most of the men are motivated by a sexual urge/erotic fixation...whether they be trans identified through autogynephilia and the practice of cross dressing, or whether they be gay and same sex attracted.

On of these "lovely" people was a teacher at the same school as my daughter - at an all girls school. He was young and gay, and his version of 'woman' seemed to involve a ton of thickly applied make up and overtly 'Feminine' clothing.

This teacher ran an LGBTQ lunctime club, which was attended by some very vulnerable girls from difficult backgrounds. It was suggested to some of them that perhaps the reason for their distress might be because 'they were trans'.
Behind their back he referred to them as " little slags". Lovely...and so empathic towards his pupils.

Always thought it a bit odd that transwomen like to go on about being assaulted all the time but you hardly ever see it reported in the media... Surely pro-trans journalists ought to be falling over themselves to give us real solid stories of how bad things are for them?

Also one would expect anyone who has been a victim of male violence to have just a modicum of empathy for women's concerns.

Which law has been revoked?

I think it's Stonewall Law, although it's been less "revoked" and more "found not to have existed in the first place".

Surprise surprise - rights can be lost very easily. Just ask the women of Iran (too many rights lost to list), the women in certain states in America (abortion rights) etc. That is why the SC ruling was so important - if woman had not been defined by reference to biology then women in the UK would have pretty much lost all their rights under equality legislation because men would be able to identify into them making them devoid of any substance.

They never had the right. They encroached where they weren't welcome and now are being told to back the fuck off. Women have the right to be in female spaces. Transwomen are not Women.

What actually are the rights that have supposedly been lost? Which law has been revoked? How many rights have been lost? Is there a list somewhere that I'm not aware of?

This is a serious question as I don't understand what rights they are referring to.

“We’ve always been respectful of women’s rights."

Bwhaahahahahahahahahaha That is the biggest fucking joke ever! They have NEVER been respectful of womens rights. If they were, they wouldn't advocate for males exposing their penis to women and little girls in their female only spaces.

"In the 80s and 90s we were out on the streets along with them and they were alongside us in this fight."

Another fucking joke! Trans have never advocate for females ever, they've never advocated for anyone but males and male supremacy.

"And any trans person will tell you they have a lifetime’s experience of sexual assault and rape. Do [gender critical groups] not think we care about those issues?”

No, males do NOT have a 'lifetime's experience' of sexual assault and rape. A built like a brick shithouse male is going to have less experience of sexual assault and rape than women and girls. There is nothing these males won't colonise, including sexual assault and rape. And if they cared about those issues, they wouldn't advocate for males exposing themselves to women and girls in female only spaces.

It is about boundaries and definitions, and the fact that other groups and individuals have them too. You cannot just do, and claim, anything you want.

Pushing the boundaries tends always to be presented as a positive thing.......but when you push too far and/or too fast you land yourself in trouble. Because boundaries are usually there for a good reason.

The whole trans movement is predicated on a total lack of clarity and a blurring of the boundaries. Words have no meaning other than what you want them to mean. There are no fixed definitions. Discrimination is always a bad thing.

Let's just pretend everything is too complicated or confusing and then no-one will attempt realise what we're doing .We can present anything as the truth and if we push that version enough people will believe it. We can enage in magical and wishful thinking and act as if what we want has already happened.

We don't require logic or consistency of thought. We elevate feelings before all else...and make everyone subservient to them.

All of the above is also why there is a huge mental health crisis with 50% of trans identified people apparently claiming a disability. People cannot cope with reality. They cannot cope with any limitations on their self focus or their self expression. They think everything is just about them.

Yeah, you can't have a battle of reality and facts with an unarmed person.

Are Whittle, et al accepting any responsibility for their part in this.

Lol, what am I thinking 🤣

Yes, the community in Germany has some specific challenges. The thing about some young Germans hallucinating a Jewish ancestry that they don't really have seems to be about Germany's own troubled history.

It probably muddies the waters further that a huge part of the community are immigrants from the former Soviet Union, and some of them might have question marks over their Jewishness.

What happened to the convention of using only 1 of your academic titles?

Well you can actually convert to Judaism. It is a recognised process. My dh is the son of a German convert and she also went through an orthodox conversion. I am also a convert (had a liberal conversion).

In germany though there is an issue where apparently many leadership positions are taken up by converts though this is less of an issue in uk where only 5% of UK jewish population are converts (mainly reform or liberal), number of orthodox converts are double digit every year. There is a principle in Judaism that one must love the convert. In fact in orthodox circles you can't even mention that a convert wasn't jewish before and liberal/reform synagogues generally are very welcoming towards converts. Also in Judaism even if you stuff your face with pork after the conversion the conversion still stands which is why the process is strict as they only want committed people.

"The law makers promised something that was not real. That having a GRC = being a biological woman."

They didn't even promise that. The GRA made a clear distinction when it came to inheritance, sport and parental status.

The GRA legislation has always been contradictory.

Well, that’s quite interesting. How did they come to be stuck to the LGB to make the whole LGBTQIAWTF? Did they get over themselves with regards gay people not being “degenerates” or did they see the rising acceptance of gay rights as particularly effective cover?

No. Total bollocks, as usual.

‘Rights can be knocked out in a second’ says older transwomen campaigning to remove the legally established rights of women (again).

I remember distinctly that the Trans “community” wanted nothing to do with the Gay Pride & Lesbian Strength marches of the early 80s.

The Beaumont Society - the main org for fetishistic men - were horrified to be lumped in with us & very clear they were not anything like those “degenerates”.

Trans women have, for years, pointed out that they have no platform and people listen to women and not them.

Sorry not time to read comments made so far, but the article fails to spell out what the change was.

This was when the EA was written to bring together all the equality laws under one (hate to us this word) umbrella.

And in compiling this into one unified law, the politicians decided that one protected characteristic, sex could be made subservient to another (gender re-assignment) ie creating the concept of "legal women" as well as women (biological).

Whether those who wrote the law did this deliberately (to my mind it is social engineering to use the law to impose a belief set on everyone), or because they thought women just wont mind and anyway we have given them the SSE, makes not difference, because whatever the reason, it became the trojan horse.

And of course following on from that the misinterpretation of the law by Stonewall etc. to insist the self identification had the same status as a GRC.

I have no doubt that in the early days, given the very limited number of men who had transitioned surgically and got a GRC were by and large if not treated well, not harassed or worse.

But they are very different to the situation nowadays where a man can just claim they are now a woman and claim they have the right to be in women's toilets, sport etc..

Yes rights can be taken away.

As women slowly came to realise how the new all encompassing EA had far from making sex a protected characteristic in its own right, was only a right conditional of the rights given by the GRA.

As said on many other threads, if early transitioners and modern day identifiers want to be angry, but angry with the actual law makers and the queer campaigners who have steadily infiltrated campaigns and work places to under mine "norms".

The law makers promised something that was not real. That having a GRC = being a biological woman.

And the campaigners claimed something that was not real. That just by identifying you can magical deny the reality of your biological sex.

Trans women have, for years, pointed out that they have no platform and people listen to women and not them.

Rubbish - or better bollocks. Stonewall has completed captured a vast number of institutions and women have had to fight court battles to get their voices heard.

How many more who haven't got the money and stamina to go to Court have been silenced? Me for one and I bet that goes for 90% of my women friends.