Nursery Pride face painting

"What if they did face paint for Ukraine? What they did Catholic face paint? What if they did White Pride face paint?"

It all feels very similar to the pithy, "What about International Men's Day" remarks that happen every year on IWD. Not everything is about you, David. You might think feminism is unnecessary because you see equality now. But on the ground, we're still feeling the daily malignant sting of the patriarchy. Just like all of you are disregarding the importance of continued visible recognition of gay and lesbian relationships.

What do you REALLY think the lesson planning looked like for this activity? They're probably looking at their events calendar and coming up with fun activities to mark those with the children. It's not political for the children. It's probably not political to the staff. It's face paint. It's not that deep.

"My child’s painful eczema means nothing to you?"
@CleaningSilverCandlesticks

😅 Your child's eczema means absolutely nothing to me in the context of this thread!

Stonewall has never said gay or lesbians who don't want to date transgender people are bigots or transphobic as far as I know. Do you have a link where they've said this?

That is a misinteretation of what she said:

"Sexuality is personal… but if, when dating, you are writing off entire groups like people of colour or trans people, it’s worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attraction.”

She is saying it's worth exploring whether not being into a specific group (not just trans people) comes from a place of prejudice and societal prejudices, not that they're a bigot or transphobic. Of course it's possible people have been shaped by their conditioning but that's not always the case and many people just have a different preference or attraction.

I'm interested in the here and now, not 40 years ago. The Q doesn't include that and you know it.

Are they or is that something you saw on GB News?

If that were true then why are ‘Q’ organisations pushing inappropriate sexual content into schools and nurseries?

That is a misinteretation of what she said:

"Sexuality is personal… but if, when dating, you are writing off entire groups like people of colour or trans people, it’s worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attraction.”

She is saying it's worth exploring whether not being into a specific group (not just trans people) comes from a place of prejudice and societal prejudices, not that they're a bigot or transphobic. Of course it's possible people have been shaped by their conditioning but that's not always the case and many people just have a different preference or attraction.

I'm interested in the here and now, not 40 years ago. The Q doesn't include that and you know it.

It seems there is quite a lot you don't know. That's fine, and true of everyone. What you can't plausibly claim though is that the rainbows being painted on preschoolers stand for all the things Micaela64 agrees with and none of the bits she doesn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/29/if-lesbian-prefers-same-sex-dates-thats-not-bigotry-desire-personal-thing

No. Someone else said that queer thought included that. You replied to dismiss them and say they'd fallen for right-wing misinformation. ("It doesn't include that FFS. Stop getting your news from Facebook and GB News.")

What I provided was direct quotes from a range of the core foundational queer theorists that showed this was not a right-wing invention. You then went quiet.

I'd charitably assumed that was because you were unaware of that, not that you were aware but felt it was fine.

Stonewall has never said gay or lesbians who don't want to date transgender people are bigots or transphobic as far as I know. Do you have a link where they've said this?

Let’s be honest though, the likelihood is slim to none really. The children won’t have any concept of people’s sexual orientation at nursery age and they don’t need to at that age. Why make them grow up before they need to?

You were dredging up quotes from 30 or 40 odd years ago that have no relevance to today to try and conflate those things. Stop playing innocent please, you know what you were doing.

These ‘extreme views’ are held by Stonewall, all Trans organisations, and most of the protestors to the SC ruling.

Some of the children will have gay parents.

Trans people I know in real life don't and unlike many on here I don't conflate a minority of people with more extreme views for an entire community. That's always what is done to minority groups.

You were dredging up quotes from 30 or 40 odd years ago that have no relevance to today to try and conflate those things. Stop playing innocent please, you know what you were doing.

Trans people I know in real life don't and unlike many on here I don't conflate a minority of people with more extreme views for an entire community. That's always what is done to minority groups.

You’ve just rightly made a stand for engaging with what’s actually been written in the thread.

I don’t think anyone has said that being LGBT basically makes you a pedophile. If anyone has, I vehemently disagree with them.

Some people have said that the foundational queer theorists thought the project they were engaged in included breaking down boundaries that stood between adult-child sexual relations.

That’s just true. The stigma should not attach to those pointing it out.

That’s very different from saying all people who use that term are abusers, any more than all Catholics, etc are.

Just do we want to paint nursery children in Catholic pride? I’d say not. Older children who can form a view on what these symbols mean to them and what they do or don’t endorse, fair enough.

TRAs object strongly to that view. They’d call you a bigot and consider your view as anti LGBTQ rhetoric.

I think it's for individual gay and lesbian people to decide whether they're attracted to trans people or not. Some will be, some won't be and that's fine.

I’m enjoying the ironic juxtaposition of posts on here saying there is no need for pride because being LGB is mainstream and nobody is homophobic, and the posts insinuating that being LGBT basically makes you a pedophile. Good work team.

Maybe start young. Indoctrinate any potential, future Lesbians that they have no right to deny men access to their spaces, and should repress any thinking they have a right to organise as a group. They uniquely should override their sexual orientation and accept the doctrine. Otherwise, make them believe they are truly following the god of ‘hate’.

Some ideologues think lesbians now have deny their rights to their sexual orientation and open their groups to be playthings of men (in whatever guise they present themselves). As mentioned above, lesbians who won’t do this were called ‘sexual racists’ by some very ‘progressive’ men’s entitlements (sorry, meant trans positive) proponent. A giant step in progress for man, indeed.

Lesbian is the only exclusively female group in the rainbow. Why is everyone promoting trampling on lesbians? Oh, maybe the answer is in the question.