In the gender wars, it’s men’s turn to be kind

It also legitimises a "fear" which we have no proof that it even exists.

FWR posters tends to be strategic.

The stickers and such a campaign make an important point about reducing fear and appropriate reframing of what is promoted as a major personal safety issues.

ETA: just seen this new thread that mentions “safety”.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5323651-rights-can-be-knocked-out-in-a-second-older-transwomen-shocked-by-sc-ruling?

You are aware that for all the sticker campaigns etc. that you get "men" to do, It means nothing if trans-women won't buy into it.

Yes, good point.

Would Sticker Man be even more meaningful or does it sound too close to Wicker Man?

After all, calling for the burning of women is one thing but men?

Sticker woman needs to be activated!!

I absolutely loved this article, it’s one of the best commentary pieces I’ve read actually. Janice Turner is a heroine.

Someone’s put the notorious “women be kind” poster on another thread. They should be repurposed for the men’s toilets. Along with reminders that assault is a crime punishable with fines or a prison sentence.

But yes, let the male allies start stickering the gents with “This is a safe space for transwomen”.

A sticker campaign in men's toilets, saying TRANS WOMEN WELCOME HERE
would be a thing, wouldn't it?

'Women don't object'. 'Women don't mind'.

That's two very public comments along those lines in as many days from these men. The first from 'Cleo Madeleine' on the BBC R4 programme yesterday about his being on a women's hospital ward and now this bloke.

Have we got any songwriters here? It strikes me as the start of a good chorus for a song about male entertitlement.

They have absolutely no idea about how very male this behaviour is. Or do they?

Thought this seemed relevant

Archive

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JT writes concisely and powerfully and I admire her skill every time I read her.

The only substantial disappointment and disagreement that I have had was Re: the pronouns and calling women who dissented ‘Ultras’.

It’s weird isn’t it. Nobody seemed worried about the young women (who really don’t pass as men) using the male facilities.

I agree that this is largely a problem to be solved in the manosphere (I knew it had to be some use eventually)

#istandtopeewithyou ought to start trending.

Men need to “do better” and “be kind” and actually work towards a society that does not tolerate (or expect) violence towards others, just because they can. This will benefit women, children and other men. This is how a society becomes more tolerant. It’s a massive undertaking but at some point the work needs to be done.

This is a chance for men to step up, listen and do something positive.

There does need to be a campaign though from a strategy perspective

Thanks for the share @Igneococcus - Janice is such a clear writer.

And yes, @southbiscay, you’re right, and I almost didn’t notice - what a sea change to have an article that spells things out so clearly in a mainstream paper.

Actually, other than a couple of deletions of people being really nasty, I haven’t seen many posts deleted on here in recent days - and people have been being very frank with their opinions. Wow, things have completely changed in just over a week.

(When I feel safe to just say to any old badger in public that TW are not W, then I’ll know the tide is completely turned. Not quite there yet…)

What an absolutely brilliant article. Janice has been an absolute stalwart In the gender wars. Can you even begin to imagine an article like this in a national paper before the judgement. For Women Scotland you are absolute heroes.

On the back of @Barearse's post the other day I did my own small survey of the men in my life (1 DP, ds1(29), ds2 (17)) and asked what their reaction would be if a TIM went into the men's loos.

"I don't care, so long as they don't act weird in there"
"So long as they follow 'the rules', same as any other bloke"
"Yeah it's fine. No-one really cares"

So based on that, it seems that there doesn't even need to be a campaign for men to 'Be Kind'. Most men are the same- TIM or not, so long as they don't look at another man's penis or stand at the urinal next to them if there's a spare one next-door-but-one, they just Don't Care.

TIMs have nothing to fear. (apart from some olfactory assault probably. They could use their energy to campaign for better conditions in the men's loos)

It's a crucial time now and we need men to step up and take this on.

Men have been criminal in their silence.

They need to take this fight on and do as the article suggests.

That’s an incredibly sensible article.

It will be interesting to see if the internet is flooded with either sobbing videos of transwomen that are sat in cars wailing about how they have just been "abused" by men in the toilets or faked videos of them being abused.

Although they are likely to get verbally abused if they start filming in the toilets.

Excellent article from Janice as always, thankyou Igneococcus. I will be showing that to my teen (GC) daughter, who is having a hard time with her trans-supporting friends atm