Sadly the Pelicot court case is not the only one that shows women of all ages are not safe from the men in their homes

If you start a thread, shouldn’t you expect a discussion to be the result? Or did you just want a whole lot of seals to cry along in desperation at the horror in the world ? Many people will have that reaction of ‘not all men’ to these stories in which men do shocking things. They are right - it’s not all men. We know that. So in what way does it serve women to discuss these crimes? Why are women so interested in true crime podcasts and crime fiction? It must serve a purpose for us right? So that’s what the ‘not all men’ people need to develop understanding about. Maybe that’s why they comment on these threads. Maybe some of them are genuinely trying to understand. I think we need to share these stories so that as women, we keep a healthy level of skepticism about us when men make claims or demands. That we stay alert around men - and unsupervised access by them to children and other vulnerable people comes with some robust caveats, and checks. That we realise that even fathers, brothers, grandfathers, sons can be rapists, or enablers of rapists. Love them but never forget this.

one of Gisele Pelicot's rapists was a firefighter.

Male violence against women, especially sexual violence is a global problem. We might have a slightly thinner veneer of civilisation in the U.K., comparatively speaking, but globally, women and girls are subjected to horrific assaults on a daily basis - places like Pakistan, the Congo etc are appalling places to live for women - so forgive me if I take a less rose tinted, parochial view. I’ve suffered several sexual assaults throughout my life, from childhood, as well as two abusive relationships and all at the hands of men. So by all means do think of the poor men, but I’m happy to remind myself that there’s still far too much male sexual violence in the world to give them, as a sex class, a free pass.

‘’There are four billion men on this planet. Let's not pretend that comparatively rare stories like this in any way represent the majority. You're more likely to have your life saved by a man then taken by a man much as you won't want to admit it.‘’

You make a valid point. My reaction to these horror stories though is ‘why so many men relative to so few women?’ ‘Why do men in particular leave such a trail of carnage, and why do so many men sexually abuse?’ . What is it about men, compared with women, that causes this and what can be done to help men to prevent this behaviour? Clearly we need strategies that focus on men somehow, so we need to be willing to articulate that these problems are to do with men. If we are not allowed to do that because the good men might feel offended, then appropriate, targeted strategies can’t be developed. And also - I think women discuss these cases on forums like this because it can be useful to warn each other, but also to show victims that they are not alone. The vast majority of rapes are never reported, and the vast majority of those that are, are not punished or publicised in the media. So the ones we hear about are only a tiny tip of the iceberg. It can help women in our efforts to safeguard each other and our children if we are aware of what a not insignificant percentage of men are capable of.

Yes Orollos, everywhere you look there is male violence reported in mainstream media multiple times every day, it truly is sickening. But you really would think you would be safe from rape from your own son or father. Absolutely depraved😠

It's grim using such harrowing stories as a vehicle to push your agenda. Reading it and thinking "ooo, I can defo use this one to whip up some hate". It's just disrespectful in my eyes.

may i suggest everyone ignore this poster who is trying to deflect and derail the thread…

It’s disgusting and sickening what these men and so many others have done. I can only hope they are jailed for the rest of their life but sadly that’s unlikely given most justice systems around the world. Sadly as someone who used to work with children in care and also for a compensations organisation I have encountered a lot of these kind of cases.

There was a girl I was friends with as a kid whose dad had died, she grew up with her stepdad who she called dad from the age of 7. When her mum and stepdad split up in her teen years she continued contact with him through sleepovers at his flat.

One night out the blue during a visit he decided rape which he later admitted to in court. Of course it wasn’t out the blue for him - he’d probably been planning it for years. Utterly abhorrent. Not biologically
related but even then.

applgies for DM link (not a fan but do check it now and again) but I just stumbled upon this on their home page. Wasn’t even looking for it. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14647943/John-Jessup-Las-Vegas-daughter-assault-hotel-sentenced.html

Oh lovely.

In a thread about a baby and an old woman bring raped by their male relatives you have to bring up males, firefighters, Muslim and Jews?

Just fuck off.

I mean maybe it's about 'punching up' and only going for the privileged groups? But isn't that kinda how the persecution of the Jews started? 🤔

IKR? And so many keystrokes when just those six would’ve done. And they’re still at it….
Won’t anyone think of the firefighters…..

Why would you not hate men who rape and abuse their mothers and daughters?

No. It's where we centre the women.

Read the room FFS @LastRoIo , you’re in Feminist Chat, not Handmaidens Corner.

Sorry, is this the area where we're supposed to hate men?

Obviously not just Spain

What is wrong with these men? What is so, so wrong with them?

I saw another article about the baby and father but didn't realise it was in Spain. I hope they suffer a lot in prison.

Read the room FFS @LastRoIo , you’re in Feminist Chat, not Handmaidens Corner.

OP that’s horrific, I can’t even click on the links as the headlines say it all. Absolute monsters.

Didn't take long for NAMALT did it?