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Unison elections - female only seats are not so

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FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 25/04/2025 16:33

Disappointed to receive ballot papers from Unison today for their upcoming elections.

Why is it acceptable to have men standing in the Disabled Members' Seats Female Seat??

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ArabellaScott · 25/04/2025 19:16

Won't the EHRC deal with this?

ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2025 19:14

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/04/2025 19:11

Women don't have a right to be represented by a woman. The reason I don't think it's discrimination against women is because any woman can go for election. I would assume it's eligibility to be elected that's the grounds for discrimination rather than having representation.

I could be completely wrong though.

Idk, I would assume the posts reserved for people with protected characteristics are meant to exist for the benefit of the members rather that for the committee members.

VeraWangTea · 25/04/2025 19:11

@FrodoTheBlueWhippet Today I received an email from our branch (which irritates me as I left but they still continue to email me) informing me of the local trans rights protests.

For godsake they really don’t give a fuck about women and girls.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/04/2025 19:11

ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2025 19:03

why do you think that? It’s not just the women candidates who are potentially discriminated against by having votes diverted from them, it’s the disabled women who won’t have the representation that this post is supposed to provide if this person is elected.

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Women don't have a right to be represented by a woman. The reason I don't think it's discrimination against women is because any woman can go for election. I would assume it's eligibility to be elected that's the grounds for discrimination rather than having representation.

I could be completely wrong though.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2025 19:03

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/04/2025 18:45

I don't think it would count as discrimination against women but maybe it could be classed as indirect as it makes it harder for a woman to win the seat.

why do you think that? It’s not just the women candidates who are potentially discriminated against by having votes diverted from them, it’s the disabled women who won’t have the representation that this post is supposed to provide if this person is elected.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/04/2025 18:45

Cailleach1 · 25/04/2025 17:01

I understand what you are saying. However, if it is, first and foremost, a seat for a woman, are they not directly discriminating against the women for whom that seat is intended.

I presume any man can ‘identify’ as a woman and run for (steal) the women’s seat.

I don't think it would count as discrimination against women but maybe it could be classed as indirect as it makes it harder for a woman to win the seat.

Conxis · 25/04/2025 18:22

@FrodoTheBlueWhippet this from another thread So you could send it here.

…and you want to whistleblow, post here on mumsnet or you can contact James Esses.
[email protected]
His post on X says this
I’m hearing increasing reports of organisations, private and public, seeking to undermine the Supreme Court judgment.
If your place of work is continuing to deny biological reality and you want to anonymously blow the whistle, please get in touch.
x.com/jamesesses/status/1915306058018427023?s=46

SameyMcNameChange · 25/04/2025 18:10

Definitely email. Don’t cancel yet - if this gets into the media then I am prepared to bet a sizeable donation to Sex Matters that the candidacy will be withdrawn within a week.

FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 25/04/2025 18:03

I'm not on X

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FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 25/04/2025 18:03

I'll be emailing and cancelling my memebership

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HermioneWeasley · 25/04/2025 17:55

It’s not allowed since the SC judgement. If you’re on X share with TU SEEN

Cailleach1 · 25/04/2025 17:52

Also, there is a ‘Disabled Members General’ which is open to both sexes. The biological male could have gone for that instead of contesting a seat which is designated for a biological female.

I imagine it is immaterial whether Unison have their own special rules which they made to let a male to take a supposedly female seat. Those are similar to ‘golf club’ rules, and they cannot break the law.

It is a big FU from Unison to women, isn’t it? At women’s expense, and to women’s detriment.

Jamfirstest · 25/04/2025 17:49

FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 25/04/2025 17:19

*Bigearringsbigsmile *
Thank you. I had no idea Unison were so breathtakingly cavalier with the rights of half the population.

They are.ive started a thread about it as unison have made me furious

nauticant · 25/04/2025 17:30

The point is that there's nothing to stop employers or similar entities from discriminating against their female staff unless someone who is discriminated against takes a case to a tribunal/court. That is in, the absence of grown-ups wanting the companies, unions, etc to operate lawfully.

I think there's going to be a lot of trans activists in companies, unions, etc who will act to discriminate against women and will count on getting away with it. The goal will be to erode the force of the Supreme Court judgment away by means of discriminatory practices that are widespread and remain commonplace.

Conxis · 25/04/2025 17:30

MoistVonL · 25/04/2025 17:24

That directly contravenes the law as clarified by the Supreme Court.

If they offer a Women's Seat, it can only be for 'biological women' as set out in the ruling. If trans identifying men (with or without a GRC) can apply as "women" that discriminates against all other men because it is no longer a sex based segregation.

So either it's for only actual women or absolutely anyone can stand for that seat. There is no legal halfway measure that includes transwomen and real women following the ruling.

This^
You need to call this out as not legal/send it to the press.
Theres another thread on here with someone collecting evidence of organisations flaunting the law

ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2025 17:28

Maybe before tearing up your ballot papers, vote for a legitimate candidate? How many ways is the vote for this post split? You’d hope that among the rank and file, people can spot who shouldn’t be standing.

SameyMcNameChange · 25/04/2025 17:28

Calling @knottyauty in case her Telegraph journalist might be interested?

SameyMcNameChange · 25/04/2025 17:26

Questions and contact information
70. If you would like any information or further explanation about this procedure or the
election, you can contact the Member Liaison Unit using the details below.
Phone: 0207 121 5399
E-mail: [email protected]

SameyMcNameChange · 25/04/2025 17:26

Looks like the rules are here:
https://www.unison.org.uk/content/uploads/2024/12/Election-procedures.pdf

  1. Only members from specified categories, such as female seats and low pay reserved seats, can be nominated for those seats.

https://www.unison.org.uk/content/uploads/2024/12/Election-procedures.pdf

MoistVonL · 25/04/2025 17:24

That directly contravenes the law as clarified by the Supreme Court.

If they offer a Women's Seat, it can only be for 'biological women' as set out in the ruling. If trans identifying men (with or without a GRC) can apply as "women" that discriminates against all other men because it is no longer a sex based segregation.

So either it's for only actual women or absolutely anyone can stand for that seat. There is no legal halfway measure that includes transwomen and real women following the ruling.

Cailleach1 · 25/04/2025 17:21

There are many perfectly lovely men. They are not entitled to a seat reserved for a biological woman, though.

Cailleach1 · 25/04/2025 17:19

Unison can gaslight women in passing motions that they believe that men are women if they claim to be. However, I thought the SC said that things for women and female have to be for that biological sex. Not some dude everyone if fawning over at the expense of women.

FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 25/04/2025 17:19

*Bigearringsbigsmile *
Thank you. I had no idea Unison were so breathtakingly cavalier with the rights of half the population.

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FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 25/04/2025 17:17

I'm sure all candidates are perfectly nice people, I would just like to have Female Seats reserved for actual females. In light of the Supreme Court ruling I'd say I'm definitely not unreasonable.

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