Girl guides are not safe. Parents beware!

Why would boys be present in the girl guides?

From James Esses:

A whistleblower from
@Girlguiding
has been in touch. Volunteers have been instructed that, irrespective of the Supreme Court judgement, boys who identify as girls can use female camp rooms and toilets. Worse still, parents must not be told.

This is a safeguarding nightmare.

https://x.com/JamesEsses/status/1915689045356654904

The CEO has resigned and a new one hasn't been appointed. We don't know what the position will be of the new one yet.

No but the point of my comment about the dads is that upthread someone was saying about this meaning there will be no more men in girlguiding. That won't necessarily be the case as legitimately, men will still play a part in the organisation as they have done - even when they are not transwomen.

It was already their policy prior to the judgement despite being told of the issues.

The same captured people are in charge - are they likely to change it? They clearly do not remotely care about safeguarding girls.

Of course it is. We’re not talking about a few Dad’s giving up a free weekend now and again to help out.

I would take things like this with a pinch of salt. There are a lot of people who like to create outrage.

Yes, but surely if their position is that any man who self identifies as a woman is one, then they’re free to hold female positions because they’re deemed to be women?

Yes, but surely if their position is that any man who self identifies as a woman is one, then they’re free to hold female positions because they’re deemed to be women?

Yes, but surely if their position is that any man who self identifies as a woman is one, then they’re free to hold female positions because they’re deemed to be women?

Men are allowed to be "unit helpers". It is a slightly different role to a "unit leader" and they are not full members of the organisation. They have a different categorisation - something like associated volunteer but I can't remember the exact wording off the top of my head. They are not allowed to make the promise. This was the case long before the trans policy came into effect - over the years we've had some brilliant dads help us out on a periodic basis.

Edit to add so technically it's true that all "leaders" are female as men cannot hold the "leader" role. There's a list on the HQ website somewhere about which roles men are and are not allowed to do.

Scout and guide groups are independent charities operating under the umbrella of the national associations. The charity trustees are responsible for following the law and ensuring safety REGARDLESS of what the national organisation says.

In scouts every adult volunteer is empowered to stop any activity if they feel it is unsafe - I would hope its the same in guides. So if you are involved in scouting or guiding locally please continue to do your duty of keeping young people safe regardless.

Is that actually policy? A friends DDs unit has a male leader (the dad of one of the girls). Doesn't identity as female, don't know many details as to whether they were short on leaders, just something she brought up as she was surprised. I assumed that meant men were able to be leaders?

Is that actually policy? A friends DDs unit has a male leader (the dad of one of the girls). Doesn't identity as female, don't know many details as to whether they were short on leaders, just something she brought up as she was surprised. I assumed that meant men were able to be leaders?

Do you have any actual evidence of this as you have just linked to somebody’s Twitter post?

It's not just about boys joining though. It's about adult males sharing showering and sleeping accommodation with girls without their parents being aware males are present.

GG say all their leaders are female. The safeguarding assumes they are all female. Yet they allow adult males to self identify as female to go places males would not be allowed. It's an absolute safeguarding nightmare.

Honestly, I'd much rather my daughters embraced a trans child into the GG unit than me fired up about this ridiculous non-issue. I'll continue supporting my girls on their guiding journey.

There are a whole generation of trans people who are now terrified, why are we allowing this horrific level of discrimination and hate speech.

Could they not have privacy screens in the tents?
There's no need for anyone to get naked in front of others, it's easily avoided I'd hope?

But why do people need to get naked or take their clothes off in front of others at guides?
Do they not have normal cubicles for changing for swimming, sport etc?
I'm not saying trans women should be allowed to look at girls when they're undressed but I just don't see why any adult of either sex should need to at a hobby group?

Honestly, I'd much rather my daughters embraced a trans child into the GG unit than me fired up about this ridiculous non-issue. I'll continue supporting my girls on their guiding journey.

There are a whole generation of trans people who are now terrified, why are we allowing this horrific level of discrimination and hate speech.