Girl guides are not safe. Parents beware!

Amazing. You raise safeguarding concerns and the police are called - on you for a hate crime. And then even if you are found not-guilty, you might be on the non-crime hate incident list!

I also wonder if the summer break would be a good time so leaders can deal with any individuals away from the actual meetings. It isn't going to be easy either way

My experience too

couple years ago at guides we had a handful of girls asking us to call them by a male name, generally autistic girls, other than that, joining in with games etc all fine,
that seemed to fizzle out and now we have a few turn up with furry tails and ears …
haven’t come across a trans girl yet ..

Interesting. To be fair, they may also be trying to limit the risk of their staff receiving death threats if they are perceived to be moving too swiftly to change policy.

If they wait for the statutory code of practice to be updated then there will be more chance of blending into the crowd of organisations making changes at the same time.

That's a useful reminder of how this ideology has been promoted by bullying, threats and intimidation. The fact that GG promoted and defended this man in the face of all the photographic evidence about his unsuitability to be a role model for girls speaks to their catastrophic lack of safeguarding and concern for girls.

I've had a response and I do feel like although no actual movement there's some acknowledgment that they are going to be dragged kicking and screaming to comply.

In light of the recent Supreme Court ruling, we are now awaiting further guidance. We are committed to operating lawfully and we will take time to consider carefully what this means for us.

They know but don't want to do anything until they can say our hands are tied is my best guess

This. There's a generation of children who've been failed by so many organisations and trusted adults who've bought into this ideology and allowed cynical adults to sell it to them.
They are hugely vulnerable and are currently being whipped up by irresponsible transactivists exploiting them as "human shields". These children will need sensitive and thoughtful support as they come to terms with the fact they've ben sold a lie - that opposite sex resources etc are theirs for the taking .

Although GG are stalling even if they update policy to reflect the law they (and I guess we as volunteers) have a responsibility to sensitively manage out the young males who may be in units. These are young people who have been treated badly by their adults who have lied to them and promised them the impossible, will likely have metal health issues and be scared by the rhetoric being whipped up by trans rights organisations. They will need to leave in a supporter manner.
I'm less worried about adults as they are old enough to know the consequences of Thier actions.

Ah, the reliably bonkers Nadia Whittome. 🙄

I have learnt to be deeply suspicious of people who say “Move on, nothing to see here” when someone expresses concern. Why are they trying to hide things?

That’s what it comes down to. Naked, trans-girls are 100% boys (and even non-naked).

God that's depressing. Mine have all finished their scouting adventures so don't have to deal with this.

Can I just ask the people who say they don't see an issue, and the girls can just take to turn to change or whatever, if they would be saying the same thing if it were just regular teenage boys, without a gender identity, sharing with the girls? If not, why not?

Scouts are not immune to this either and I think are going to have to make some changes to their current guidance around toilets / tents / showers on camp. I did find this on their website though, which is easier to find than on girlguiding.

https://www.scouts.org.uk/news/2025/april/supporting-trans-and-gender-diverse-young-members-and-adult-volunteers-in-scouts/

Scouts is much better anyway!

Gender Identity.

Sorry, what does ‘GI’ stand for? Having a blank moment.

My own employer, v inclusive but pragmatic has a statement on their website now spelling out the SC decision in very clear language.

that's it. That's the way to go.

That's the way they're going to have to go, in fact.

💯

That statement has gone out in an email to volunteers. I couldn't find it on their website or Facebook feed. I think they're delaying the inevitable. Probably because they know what a shit storm it's going to bring with it - either way. Personally I can't see how they're going to be able to admit TW without falling foul of the SC ruling.
My own employer, v inclusive but pragmatic has a statement on their website now spelling out the SC decision in very clear language.

Well all credit to the GI lobby, they're showing the EHRC loopholes and how tightly they're going to have to be closed on a daily basis. Compliance enforcement is going to have to be part of this, and the government is going to have to help or demonstrate law isn't what they very expensively argue and create, but whatever an undemocratic extremist political lobby wants a la protection racket kind of methods.

Although as we saw last night, they'll be doing fuck all in the name of integrity or common sense.

Interestingly I've had no response from them and it's now overdue. They still haven't confirmed one way or another - probably checked previous communications and decided I'm a trouble maker lol

Maya saying it like it is.

And GG can hardly deny it, given that Monica man with the whip.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the EHRC. I bet every day there's another 'scenario' to address. Forensically checking every single letter of their proposed guidance will be taking up a lot of time.

Their necessarily deep dive into operation let them speak is going to be enlightening. And I bet the guidance reflects that.