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AnSolas · 24/04/2025 20:43

Helleofabore · 24/04/2025 19:59

Oh yay!!

”Addition of restrictions to the protected characteristic of ‘Religion and Belief’ to ensure that this avenue can never be used to strip other protected characteristics of rights ever again.”

Brilliant! More evidence that they know very well there is no biological markers of any kind in common for having a transgender identity. I look forward to the ludicrous arguments we see on MN by some people stopping.

But .....ta da !!

they are going to give each minority (Faith and Belief fall in here ) group special MPs👏👏👏

Ermmmmm.

who will out vote their MPs🙈🤣

backslashruby · 24/04/2025 20:42

Bitterly disappointed that Mumsnet wasn't on their naughty list. We're obviously not terfing properly.

zanahoria · 24/04/2025 20:41

"Original list of demands by Ryan Castellucci "

This is them

An American who wanted to be formally recognised as non-binary in the UK has been told by the Court of Appeal their gender identity does not legally exist in this country.
Ryan Castellucci previously lost a High Court challenge to have their gender recorded as non-binary on a gender recognition certificate - a document which changes someone's legal sex - after moving to the UK in 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyve4m79e6lo

About

Ryan Castellucci is a professional computer security researcher with a background in networks, applied cryptography, programming, and Linux.

https://rya.nc/about.html

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 24/04/2025 20:38

So, so much madness.

Since when did wanting to protect your group's hard-won sex-based rights make you a 'hate group'; but a group wanting to take those rights from you, so that they can add them on to their own (already equivalent) rights - meaning that they have both lots of rights and you are left with none - is somehow not a hate group?!?!

AnSolas · 24/04/2025 20:36

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2025 19:37

I would love to know in what way it's illegitimate!!! And how the Cass Review is fraudulent!

Good luck to them.

I have to say, thanks OP that's given me a right good chuckle.

But ..but ... but ...

An INDEPENDENT .... with a finding of fraud at the end 🤪

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/04/2025 20:36

It's hilarious.

Dear Members of Parliament,
Everything in our Solar System is transphobic.
Take everyone else's rights and protections away immediately.
And give us free tits.
Regards,
The entitled male supremacists Aggrieved.

Kitte321 · 24/04/2025 20:36

So the ENTiRE world and everyone in it has to change in order to prioritise the rights of trans people.
Trans people’s right to treatment on the NHS, gender neutral terms, asylum, single sex spaces, cosmetic procedures, and access to elite sport must trump the rights of ALL others and their needs put to the front of the (very long) queue. Whilst also agreeing to just ‘forget’ freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the rule of law.
okay boys. Sounds fair 👍

zanahoria · 24/04/2025 20:35

I hope they send the original written in orange crayon to Parliament

crumpet · 24/04/2025 20:29

One of the best temper tantrums I have seen in a while.

Gattopardo · 24/04/2025 20:24

@AnneLovesGilbert definitely getting parody or inauthentic vibes. It’s just too whack for it to be real.

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AnSolas · 24/04/2025 20:22

SigourneyHoward · 24/04/2025 19:19

What the heck is the 'ban cosmetic surgery on gentials of intersex babies' and can anyone understand the 'creation of a new specific class of MP for minority groups' - do they mean a Minister or each parliamentary seat as a bog standard MP and one voted on by minority groups??

'ban cosmetic surgery on gentials of intersex babies'

There was an infamous historical case where a baby (one of twin boys?) was operated on to fix his urethra and they botched the surgey and further surgery to remove his testicles and create a female look was the recomended. So "sex change"/ "transed" by surgery. The boy was raised as a girl and was abused by the doctor (including i think CSA) through out his (their) childhood basicly used as a human guinea pig(s) to test the nature over nurture theories of the 60s (?) / 70s (?)

Similar if a baby had DSD the aim was to create a "normal" look as well as solve a medical need by surgery. It was not possible to create a penis and the same type of cosmetic sex change would have been done.

The current policy in the UK is I think to recomend interventions to do the least amount of surgery based only on medical need. But medical need would be case by case so depending on the doctor/team involved.

borntobequiet · 24/04/2025 20:19

Blimey. That’s a lot of bullet points. I particularly liked

  • Breast augmentation where HRT doesn’t provide sufficient growth.

Poor dears.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/04/2025 20:17

LMFAO.

Fable tales?! Parody surely?

AnneLovesGilbert · 24/04/2025 20:15

I too thought it was a parody until the end. Are we absolutely sure it isn’t…?

And if not what are they threatening when they don’t get what they want?

I do wonder how the politicians, journos and commentators still wedded to #bekind and bleating about compassion and both sides will react if things get even uglier and more obvious.

bigboykitty · 24/04/2025 20:15

Now come on people, this is satire, surely? Which one of you wrote it? It's very funny.

lcakethereforeIam · 24/04/2025 20:13

These folx are insane. It's actually worrying. They don't make threats but they are implied rather than explicit, they're not that stupid. However, the reference to the 'peaceful' protest in particular, it suggests they're prepared to be less peaceful.

I suspect we'll see sit ins, vandalism of and dirty protests in women's SSS. They're so petulant. A 'if I can't have them, then no 'cis' woman can either' campaign.

You'd think Ryan would have got used to losing.

EweSurname · 24/04/2025 20:13

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/04/2025 19:41

The Supreme Court is transphobic, its judges are transphobic, the EHRC is transphobic, the NHS is transphobic, the civil service is transphobic, the Charity Commission is transphobic, the Cass review is transphobic, the Ministry of Justice is transphobic, the media is transphobic, driving licences, birth certificates and marriage certificates are transphobic, people being allowed their own opinions is transphobic, any MP who refuses to agree with us is transphobic, the world and her dog are transphobic...

Chaps, come the fuck on now. Have you considered that it's much more likely that it's actually you with the problem here? Other people have rights, the world doesn't revolve around you. Fucking hell, get a grip.

For balance, I’d say that some of those institutions or organisations have been deeply anti-woman - eg NHS, media, birth certificates (if you consider the GRA), ministry of justice, the media plus many, many others and I don’t think it’s women that were the problem!

Gretnaglebe · 24/04/2025 20:12

They need to get Dawn Butler to recite the lyrics if ‘Something inside so strong’ yet again

HipTightOnions · 24/04/2025 20:11

Ludicrous of course, but these are the people our institutions have been pandering to.

mrshoho · 24/04/2025 20:07

And as we tell tiny children having temper tantrums "I want, doesn't get!"

Honestly this must be a joke. If not would parts of it be considered libellous.

Gattopardo · 24/04/2025 20:00

“Daddy, I want another pony”

Helleofabore · 24/04/2025 19:59

Oh yay!!

”Addition of restrictions to the protected characteristic of ‘Religion and Belief’ to ensure that this avenue can never be used to strip other protected characteristics of rights ever again.”

Brilliant! More evidence that they know very well there is no biological markers of any kind in common for having a transgender identity. I look forward to the ludicrous arguments we see on MN by some people stopping.

mumda · 24/04/2025 19:56

You can't always get what you want.

The insanity there is strong.

murasaki · 24/04/2025 19:55

Gattopardo · 24/04/2025 19:52

Laughable to the point I wonder if it’s meant to be laughable.

one thing that really struck me is the fact that under NHS treatements highlighted as being necessary, 3 of 4 are only really of relevance to trans women - breast augmentation, electrolysis and facial surgery. I’m pretty sure not many trans men have facial surgery or would require electrolysis. My moustache and chin hair would be a positive asset to me in the unlikely event I decide to identify as a man….

Unlikely re laughable, they are deadly serious. Deadly, I tell you. People will literally die.