Men in female only spaces

This. ^^

There'll be a while of kicking off and then it'll settle down and third spaces will start appearing.

We've gone in a mere week from 'no third spaces evah!' to 'our third spaces will be the party space'.

My concern is that they will remove those signs, and the Women/Men signs, and replace them all with Unisex signs.

Well, if Im in a hospital and need to have an intimate exam with a male doctor, there is usually a female chaperone. With a female doctor there isnt usually a chaperone. Now I can ask for a chaperone with a trans doctor for example and not feel worried that the level of care I receive might suffer because Im being difficult. Heaven forbid a woman is difficult.

i personally do not care if someone female passing uses the same toilets as me. It has happened many times before and no big deal. Even when they go quiet for just a bit too long and you wonder if theyre listening to you or just trying to be quiet about their business… however I do care about the most vulnerable women, who would be scared to share a bathroom with a person with a penis, for reasons of experience of sexual assault, or religious restrictions or just feeling intimidated, whether that feeling is justified or not. If there is even one vulnerable woman who needs a penis free space, then that is what the provision should be. Although trans people are more vulnerable than the general population, in this scenario the woman is more vulnerable and need priority to hold a space that was created to be separate from the male provision for her safety and wellbeing.

in a ideal world we would have three toilet/ changing options- female, male and unisex..

and hopefully the man who hangs around the ladies toilet in the local park (all the mums know at the playground not to send their kids to the toilets alone) who I am sure is not trans but has definitely told me he can use any toilet he likes, will now feel less brazen.

I hate how this has shown me how little women matter and how much men and women seem to hate women and hate women saying what about me.

I think they will continue to use womans toilets, knowing that they won't be challenged as

A) most people are not very observant
B) many believe in "be kind"
C) often toilets are either empty or that busy they won't be noticed.

A few people will notice and care, and some will challenge... same as before really.

Those signs at universities telling women not to question any men in the women's toilets are illegal and should be removed for starters.

I think one place this will work best will be sports as it could be more easily enforced than places like toilets.

The more it gets back in place the more people will shout it out “hoy mate- wrong one”

the more the police can be called ,

then the less it happens

Most men know they beat up most women easily. Women have zero chance of physically keeping men out of any space.

It is the ultimate intimidation. All women have is the law and the grace of good men to uphold it.

This is why the laws and rulings are important.

In theory, men are out of rape centres. In practice, get ready to call the police a lot. And hope they do their jobs.

I think a large part will be that many men will think twice about the ladies whereas before the message being pushed was that they were entirely welcome.

We should stop seeing those signs that told women not to question anyone, that suggested that gender ID was the basis for choice for facilities.

And we should be able to say something to a man in the ladies without fear of being called out for it, not supported by the owners of the building, that sort of thing.

We’re going to need to keep bringing the court cases wherever people are failing to reorganise in line with the law. It’s a culture change.

Lots of them will move themselves into line- Pool has, the government seems to have, EHRC has, school toilets are underway in Scotland.

When the schools and sport are sorted, that will have a significant impact elsewhere imo.

Many places want to do this but have felt obliged not to. They will shift quickly. Some places will be reluctant because of an embedded and unrecognised misogyny. They will need court cases. 🤷🏼‍♀️