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Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.

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ButterflyHatched · 24/04/2025 03:40

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned at all - I tried to find a thread covering this verdict and got no returns.

A prominent transphobe, Nicola Murray, has been found guilty of repeated counts of child sexual abuse against four children across a 20 year period in West Lothian and Perthshire.

Bloody hell. Absolutely disgusting crimes when committed by anyone, but coming from a well known domestic abuse activist who of all people should have known better is particularly horrifying. I hope this doesn't end up harming Brodie's Trust too badly as an organisation and the important work that they do for survivors of domestic abuse - to discover your founder is responsible for such evil acts has got to be devastating.

From the vile behaviours described in the article, including the use of transphobic slurs against a child for daring to style their hair after their favourite pop star, she appears to have been completely deranged and consumed by her hatred of the differences exhibited by those poor children. Looks like she never succeeded in overcoming her hatred for trans people, which it explains why it spilled out into and marred her activism.

It must have taken immense courage for those young people to speak up about her abusive behaviour, but thankfully it seems this is one of the rare occasions where victims are believed and taken seriously when coming forward.

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MargotB · 24/04/2025 10:26

Katkins17 · 24/04/2025 07:17

Let’s ignore all the horrific and inexcusable abuse this piece of scum committed against children over many many years … because we all know that the actual violence and the absolute worse offence here was taking the mick out of someone’s hair !!!
The trans hyperbole and victim mentality is rife in this post.

Totally agree.

The OP's attempt to make this a trans issue when it absolutely is not is beneath contempt. Pathetic.

CautiousLurker01 · 24/04/2025 08:37

BelfastBard · 24/04/2025 08:25

OP is being entirely disingenuous because the main thrust of their post seems to be that this woman held gender critical views, and that is somehow linked to her offending against these children.
What she did was truly, truly awful. No child should experience that. The fact she doesn’t believe that men can become women is neither here nor there.
I wonder if OP was similarly outraged by prominent trans campaigner Stephen Ireland being prosecuted for the rape of a child? Or the many, many instances of trans identifying adults having sexually assaulted women or children?

Indeed, this atrocious woman probably believes (knows) the world is not flat. Should we extrapolate from that that anyone believing in a spherical (ellipsoid) earth is more likely to be a domestic abuser, too?

Helleofabore · 24/04/2025 08:31

Myalternate · 24/04/2025 07:51

I didn’t want to read an article about the horrific abuse suffered by defenceless children. It makes me sad and angry 😢 I hope this person gets the sentence they deserve.

But how dare you, ButterflyHatched…😡 How fucking dare you, put such a twist on the trauma these children suffered, without any evidence to support your vile accusations.

…she appears to have been completely deranged and consumed by her hatred of the differences exhibited by those poor children. Looks like she never succeeded in overcoming her hatred for trans people, which it explains why it spilled out into and marred her activism…

I just read the article and was coming back to say this myalternate.

How dare what happened to these children be shoehorned into someone's political agenda:

"she appears to have been completely deranged and consumed by her hatred of the differences exhibited by those poor children. Looks like she never succeeded in overcoming her hatred for trans people, which it explains why it spilled out into and marred her activism."

I don't think I need to point out that there was no 'differences' even mentioned. But still the OP has centred their political agenda in these children's horror.

BelfastBard · 24/04/2025 08:25

OP is being entirely disingenuous because the main thrust of their post seems to be that this woman held gender critical views, and that is somehow linked to her offending against these children.
What she did was truly, truly awful. No child should experience that. The fact she doesn’t believe that men can become women is neither here nor there.
I wonder if OP was similarly outraged by prominent trans campaigner Stephen Ireland being prosecuted for the rape of a child? Or the many, many instances of trans identifying adults having sexually assaulted women or children?

teawamutu · 24/04/2025 08:23

Myalternate · 24/04/2025 07:51

I didn’t want to read an article about the horrific abuse suffered by defenceless children. It makes me sad and angry 😢 I hope this person gets the sentence they deserve.

But how dare you, ButterflyHatched…😡 How fucking dare you, put such a twist on the trauma these children suffered, without any evidence to support your vile accusations.

…she appears to have been completely deranged and consumed by her hatred of the differences exhibited by those poor children. Looks like she never succeeded in overcoming her hatred for trans people, which it explains why it spilled out into and marred her activism…

This.

Fuck off with your double standards and false equivalency, Butters.

It's not one out, one in. She's a woman whatever she does; you never will be, whatever you do.

myplace · 24/04/2025 08:19

What a failure. Poor kids.

Just one more case where someone can be right about some things and wrong about everything else others. Trump

Being Gender Critical isn’t any form of guarantee of character. No that’s why safeguarding applies to everyone, no sacred castes.

Women are far less likely to abuse, but we still follow safeguarding measures. That’s the point.

FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:18

I was not going to let a thread stand unchallenged when there are a disproportionate amount of paedophiles in the femphobe/MRA/trans community, much higher per capita than the general community.

PS Just to mention that the first person I posted, high profile Stephen Ireland, 41, co-founder of Pride in Surrey, is being charged with 35 child sex offences.

FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:16

And finally (because I've only posted around 10% of what I have of trans paedophiles and I don't want to hog up the thread)

Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.
EweSurname · 24/04/2025 08:15

alsoFanOfNaomi · 24/04/2025 08:05

She has been discussed on here before: to that extent, she has been identified here as gender critical. Unlike certain other groups I'm guessing we're all capable of condemning horrific criminal behaviour like what she has now been convicted of, even if it has come from someone who previously, like all of us, enjoyed a presumption of innocence.

Old threads:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4514578-Nicola-Murray-and-Police-Scotland

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4466679-Police-interview-Nicola-Murray

This.

FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:14

Another:

Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.
FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:12

And another:

Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.
FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:11

Another:

Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.
FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:06

And another one: raped a 3 month old baby! a newborn baby basically!!

Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.
HeyCooper · 24/04/2025 08:05

The article states … Murray was found guilty of three charges of assault, two sexual assaults, two of indecent communication, one indecent assault and two offences of behaving in a threatening or abusive manner, all between December 2002 and August 2022. She was not convicted of transphobia as far as I’m aware. I hope the victims are ok, awful abuse but at least justice has been done.

alsoFanOfNaomi · 24/04/2025 08:05

She has been discussed on here before: to that extent, she has been identified here as gender critical. Unlike certain other groups I'm guessing we're all capable of condemning horrific criminal behaviour like what she has now been convicted of, even if it has come from someone who previously, like all of us, enjoyed a presumption of innocence.

Old threads:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4514578-Nicola-Murray-and-Police-Scotland

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4466679-Police-interview-Nicola-Murray

Nicola Murray and Police Scotland | Mumsnet

Last night Nicola Murray, the founder of Brodie's Trust, reported four boys to the police for sending hardcore porn gifs to her daughters, along with...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4514578-Nicola-Murray-and-Police-Scotland

bigboykitty · 24/04/2025 08:04

Cheap trick.

FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:04

More:

Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.
FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 08:02

And another: "An Indiana court has ruled that the state's Department of Corrections must arrange "gender affirming" surgery for a transgender inmate convicted of murdering a baby. Autumn Cordellioné strangled the infant, calling her a "little b*tch" to police."
reduxx.info/exclusive-details-court-tells-indiana-department-of-corrections-to-arrange-urgent-plastic-surgery-for-transgender-baby-killer/

Helleofabore · 24/04/2025 08:00

It is a horrific case. Absolutely horrific.

But imagine if we simply plopped down all the safeguarding failures of the people you are trying to position her against. I think we would make short work of 40 pages.

Safeguarding failures due to artificially lowered boundaries from a group of people who cannot even recognise when consent is needed, let alone what is material reality and what is not.

drspouse · 24/04/2025 07:58

I was aware of this woman and her charity. Without making excuses, it sounds like she was also a victim of severe domestic abuse herself.

FlakyCritic · 24/04/2025 07:57

Another one: "trans lynnwood city council member appointed with unanimous support has agreed to step down after it emerged that he ran a sex business and posted about desires to violently rape, impregnate and eat women and girls." https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-wa-trans-onlyfans-city-council-appointee-rescinds-candidacy-after-cannibal-fetish-controversy?utm_campaign=64470

Myalternate · 24/04/2025 07:51

I didn’t want to read an article about the horrific abuse suffered by defenceless children. It makes me sad and angry 😢 I hope this person gets the sentence they deserve.

But how dare you, ButterflyHatched…😡 How fucking dare you, put such a twist on the trauma these children suffered, without any evidence to support your vile accusations.

…she appears to have been completely deranged and consumed by her hatred of the differences exhibited by those poor children. Looks like she never succeeded in overcoming her hatred for trans people, which it explains why it spilled out into and marred her activism…

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/04/2025 07:50

Sad to say there are countless prosecutions for child abuse that aren't covered on this board or on Mumsnet generally. Likely because there are so many that it's just not possible to keep track and comment on them all. Even though each one represents a failure by adults and society to keep children safe.

That's why safeguarding is everyone's business. No sacred castes. No group of adults who should be free from society's expectations, rule and conventions. No groups of children considered outside society's responsibility to safeguard them from harm.

Only commented to post the above principles about safeguarding children. I'm not going to engage with a poster excitedly picking out one aspect, from a grim list of details about the appalling abuse of children for their own niche reasons.

Katkins17 · 24/04/2025 07:17

Let’s ignore all the horrific and inexcusable abuse this piece of scum committed against children over many many years … because we all know that the actual violence and the absolute worse offence here was taking the mick out of someone’s hair !!!
The trans hyperbole and victim mentality is rife in this post.