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Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

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IwantToRetire · 24/04/2025 02:17

Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse? LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

Stonewall, Britain’s largest LGBT organisation, is in crisis. It’s plummeting financially, with rounds of redundancies as funding cuts hit. And its credibility and influence is plunging amid a national and global backlash against LGBT rights.

This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. Since it was founded more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?

However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people. And we need to ask ourselves a question as the opponents of all kinds of human rights lie in wait: are we just going to let it die?
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To highlight one recent example of Stonewall’s seemingly waning influence, I asked the Government several times recently whether it has consulted with Stonewall over a proposed ban on conversion therapy since taking office. A spokesperson from the Cabinet Office declined to confirm whether it has even had any meetings with the charity about it, instead offering vaguely: “We will engage further with a broad range of stakeholders.” I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.

Perhaps both sides are being coy or don’t want the public to know that they’ve met. But either way, this is as bizarre as it is concerning. Stonewall was once the charity that lobbied every MP in the country to help pass the same-sex marriage law in 2013. Now, it is unclear whether they’ve even had a meeting with the new Government over the psychological torture of LGBT people
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Should it die, many will dance on Stonewall’s grave. But then many would happily see the rights of LGBT people revoked too – thereby exposing how much a strong, influential organisation for this community is still needed.

If you think it should return to only representing lesbian, bisexual and gay people, then you’re ignoring not only the plight of trans people but also how intertwined all these rights are and how many government’s incarcerate people for laws that oppress every letter in the acronym – or pass laws like the Equality Act that protect everyone (until that is chipped away).
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Complete article at https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337
Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/yGTYs

(If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?)

Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse?

LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337

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EwwSprouts · 28/04/2025 08:44

PerkyBlinder · 24/04/2025 02:40

If you give advice which is legally incorrect and the organisations you’ve advised then have to pay a fortune in payouts after losing multiple legal cases due to that incorrect advice then it’s no wonder organisations are going to avoid consulting you anymore.

Nailed it. They are the architects of their own demise.

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 28/04/2025 08:39

PrettyDamnCosmic · 28/04/2025 08:36

Straight with a spicy haircut & a transally of course.

I’m none the wiser !!

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/04/2025 08:37

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 28/04/2025 08:07

What the flip is gender queer? Can anyone explain as if to a six year old please?

It means whatever you want it to mean......because the whole world revolves around you and your self definition.😉

PrettyDamnCosmic · 28/04/2025 08:36

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 28/04/2025 08:07

What the flip is gender queer? Can anyone explain as if to a six year old please?

Straight with a spicy haircut & a transally of course.

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 28/04/2025 08:07

What the flip is gender queer? Can anyone explain as if to a six year old please?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/04/2025 07:55

quantumbutterfly · 27/04/2025 12:51

https://www.flagcolorcodes.com/genderqueer

Not all marketing campaigns are successful....but thanks to David Lammy (rare words) some are. 🦕 🦖

Are green, white and purple identifying as primary colours now?

Sskka · 28/04/2025 07:54

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/04/2025 06:56

An LGB charity does not need to include the T no more than it needs to include issues like cancer care, disabled support or environmental concerns. Most charities stick to one thing. Should the RNIB join with greenpeace?

Except that, insofar as they are all recipients of public funding carrying out semi-detached public functions, they do have an underlying common cause of keeping that support going. That's the hidden corruption from having created a Third Sector. Hence there is a logic to any Cause of One becoming a Cause of All. While it seemed mad for other charities to use their funds to try to strike off the LGB Alliance, from that perspective it would have made a kind of sense.

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/04/2025 06:56

An LGB charity does not need to include the T no more than it needs to include issues like cancer care, disabled support or environmental concerns. Most charities stick to one thing. Should the RNIB join with greenpeace?

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 28/04/2025 06:42

needmoresheep · 24/04/2025 09:30

Cant they see that their approach to trans activism at the expense of women’s rights has caused the damage? Lesbian groups are fearful of Stonewall and its male privilege approach.

And we are all bloody tired of these people and the media and the politicians telling the female population to shut up and be kind. Has Stonewall not seen the horrible terminology of TERF and cis-women? Have they not seen some of the violent behaviour of TRAs at demonstrations? Have they not read some of the horrible comments on social media?

Stonewall needs to get back to basics to re-gain support. The erasure of women and the introduction of all the cervix-haver, womb-carrier, chest feeder terminology needs to stop as the majority of the population is thinking WTF!

James Dreyfus (and a few other people) wrote to Stonewall to ask them to help take the heat out of the ‘debate’.
To ask them to call off the rabid and frankly, unhinged TRAs, and they said ‘no’.

They didn’t ignore the letter, they actively said that they wouldn’t lift a finger to help.

Think of that…

I’m not sure, though, that any interventions from Stonewall would have helped, cos no one’s pure enough (trans-wise). And that rabid and unhinged searchlight would have been aggressively targeted on them.

I dunno.🤷🏻‍♀️

Chersfrozenface · 27/04/2025 15:20

They haven't come for our 🦕🦖....yet

I believe they have. Because something something temperature affects sex in reptile eggs something something, I think.

quantumbutterfly · 27/04/2025 14:50

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 27/04/2025 14:42

What on earth is gender queer? Why do they all need flags?

I can't imagine why attention seekers would need flags. But I'll give it a try...
impromptu picnic blankets, emergency shelters, wrapping up your belongings when leaving home, sarong.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 27/04/2025 14:42

What on earth is gender queer? Why do they all need flags?

Whooowhooohoo · 27/04/2025 12:43

quantumbutterfly · 27/04/2025 12:36

Interesting how marketing changes our perceptions I think. Watermelon used to be a racist trope in the USA.

I noticed that some trans groups were trying to co-opt suffragette colours too

They haven't come for our 🦕🦖....yet

I read on another MN that Trans are “offended” by suffragette colors. Because it’s terf/bio women.

Bio women are wearing suffragette colors in protest.

quantumbutterfly · 27/04/2025 12:36

Whooowhooohoo · 27/04/2025 12:26

Feeling same way about Watermelon. Was DD fav fruit and she has watermelon things from prior to 2023 when it became a secret symbol.
She has only now things where the watermelon is Pink. The other things where it’s red, she chucked.

Interesting how marketing changes our perceptions I think. Watermelon used to be a racist trope in the USA.

I noticed that some trans groups were trying to co-opt suffragette colours too

They haven't come for our 🦕🦖....yet

Whooowhooohoo · 27/04/2025 12:26

IwantToRetire · 25/04/2025 17:54

I think the Rainbow as a symbol was part of the marketing campaign, ie the Rainbow Umbrella under which many identities and who ever else might generate income could be said to belong together.

The allocating of colours to represent some thing or another was a later refinement - an "in depth" explanation to bamboozle the credulous that it was all part of some set of beliefs that already existed in these numerous communities.

Although part of me that is only too aware of the increasingly overt targetting of children, that the rainbow would be an easy symbol to sell.

And agree with others that if I see the rainbow on anything now I am immediately have a negative response. Which for those who have previously used the rainbow prior to it being colonised by Stonewall and others, in an innocent, apolitical way must be really galling.

After thought. I haven't seen a real rainbow for years. Have they decided they cant display themselves because no doubt someone will captured their image and repurpose it. Sad

Feeling same way about Watermelon. Was DD fav fruit and she has watermelon things from prior to 2023 when it became a secret symbol.
She has only now things where the watermelon is Pink. The other things where it’s red, she chucked.

IwantToRetire · 26/04/2025 19:26

But in terms of coopting, or just being ignorant or too lazy to check, the Rainbow has a far longer history of being associated with far more significant movements. Such as the Rainbow Nation. Just typical that a self absorbed group would think they could coopt and colonise something that had its own history.

Although must admit the NHS using it during Covid was in my mind not an accidental choice.

I certainly wanted to support hospital staff during that terrible time for them, but was a bit grumpy about it being badged by a rainbow.

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needmoresheep · 26/04/2025 14:36

MariadeiMiracoli · 26/04/2025 12:33

I'm a lesbian and I freeze at the sight of the rainbow lanyard and flag. They're increasingly a sign of homophobia. At their best, they're a sign of a well-meaning idiot, at worst they're worn by abusive people as a form of cover.

Supporting trans but not lesbians. After all we have been told by TRAs that lesbians who don’t want relationships with TW are sex racists. Thanks for that support Stonewall.

ApocalipstickNow · 26/04/2025 14:29

Baby blue and pink eye shadow was quite popular in the 90s.

MarieDeGournay · 26/04/2025 14:26

VickyEadieofThigh · 26/04/2025 14:13

I can't see the relationship between those white blankets with dark blue and red stripes - and the trans flag, which is pale blue and pink.

You can blame the quality of the photo I got off the internet for the dark blue and red stripes, VickyEadieofThigh!

Though wouldn't it be more logical for a baby blanket to be blue and pink rather than dark blue and red?

Anyway, here's a better image, of one of the blankets being road-tested by a clientSmile
You can see the stripes are pale blue and pink not dark blue and red.

edited to say - cross posted! we found the same cute pictureSmile

Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"
Chersfrozenface · 26/04/2025 14:23

VickyEadieofThigh · 26/04/2025 14:13

I can't see the relationship between those white blankets with dark blue and red stripes - and the trans flag, which is pale blue and pink.

That particular photo misrepresents the colours - the stripes on US hospital baby blankets are indeed pink and blue.

https://www.standardtextile.com/products/striped-baby-blankets/

https://medtegrity.us/blog/history-of-baby-blankets/

Where Did Those Pink and Blue Striped Baby Blankets Come From?

There's one type of baby blankets that shows up in almost every newborn picture. Where did it come from and why exactly is it so popular?

https://medtegrity.us/blog/history-of-baby-blankets

Whooowhooohoo · 26/04/2025 14:21

IwantToRetire · 25/04/2025 17:54

I think the Rainbow as a symbol was part of the marketing campaign, ie the Rainbow Umbrella under which many identities and who ever else might generate income could be said to belong together.

The allocating of colours to represent some thing or another was a later refinement - an "in depth" explanation to bamboozle the credulous that it was all part of some set of beliefs that already existed in these numerous communities.

Although part of me that is only too aware of the increasingly overt targetting of children, that the rainbow would be an easy symbol to sell.

And agree with others that if I see the rainbow on anything now I am immediately have a negative response. Which for those who have previously used the rainbow prior to it being colonised by Stonewall and others, in an innocent, apolitical way must be really galling.

After thought. I haven't seen a real rainbow for years. Have they decided they cant display themselves because no doubt someone will captured their image and repurpose it. Sad

I believe the rainbow symbol started with the Rainbow Coalition “movement”. I recall when working for large employer in USA many years ago and the “minority” employees group was “rainbow coalition” which included LGB employees … my gay white colleague was in a leadership position in the group. Recall it was not just at my company … rainbow was symbol of
“includes everyone”

VickyEadieofThigh · 26/04/2025 14:13

MarieDeGournay · 25/04/2025 20:05

I think the rainbow 'became' - I don't think it was chosen by a committee or anythingSmile - the flag of the lesbian and gay community because it is a symbol of unity: all the colours are contained in it (except black and white because they are sort-of not-colours). It represents everyone, unlike national flags.
[Hence the annoyingness of the Progress flag, adding bits to something that already represented everyone].

Before that, it was widely used by the environmental movement.

I believe the trans flag is based on the baby blankets used in hospitals in the USA, which have blue and white stripes - gender neutral because for all the babies!

I can't see the relationship between those white blankets with dark blue and red stripes - and the trans flag, which is pale blue and pink.

MariadeiMiracoli · 26/04/2025 12:33

aylis · 26/04/2025 11:10

I really like the rainbow as a symbol of diversity. The progress flag can fuck all the way off. An absolute tragedy of a thing.

I'm a lesbian and I freeze at the sight of the rainbow lanyard and flag. They're increasingly a sign of homophobia. At their best, they're a sign of a well-meaning idiot, at worst they're worn by abusive people as a form of cover.

peanutbuttertoasty · 26/04/2025 12:16

ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2025 19:21

not seen a real rainbow @IwantToRetire? They don’t control the weather, you know! 😄 Real rainbows, fortunately, continue to be a reminder that the natural world is full of beauty.
#electromagneticradiationisaspectrum

They don’t, Bill Gates does! 😱