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Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

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IwantToRetire · 24/04/2025 02:17

Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse? LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

Stonewall, Britain’s largest LGBT organisation, is in crisis. It’s plummeting financially, with rounds of redundancies as funding cuts hit. And its credibility and influence is plunging amid a national and global backlash against LGBT rights.

This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. Since it was founded more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?

However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people. And we need to ask ourselves a question as the opponents of all kinds of human rights lie in wait: are we just going to let it die?
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To highlight one recent example of Stonewall’s seemingly waning influence, I asked the Government several times recently whether it has consulted with Stonewall over a proposed ban on conversion therapy since taking office. A spokesperson from the Cabinet Office declined to confirm whether it has even had any meetings with the charity about it, instead offering vaguely: “We will engage further with a broad range of stakeholders.” I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.

Perhaps both sides are being coy or don’t want the public to know that they’ve met. But either way, this is as bizarre as it is concerning. Stonewall was once the charity that lobbied every MP in the country to help pass the same-sex marriage law in 2013. Now, it is unclear whether they’ve even had a meeting with the new Government over the psychological torture of LGBT people
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Should it die, many will dance on Stonewall’s grave. But then many would happily see the rights of LGBT people revoked too – thereby exposing how much a strong, influential organisation for this community is still needed.

If you think it should return to only representing lesbian, bisexual and gay people, then you’re ignoring not only the plight of trans people but also how intertwined all these rights are and how many government’s incarcerate people for laws that oppress every letter in the acronym – or pass laws like the Equality Act that protect everyone (until that is chipped away).
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Complete article at https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337
Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/yGTYs

(If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?)

Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse?

LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337

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LonginesPrime · 02/05/2025 19:52

Stonewall’s response in the article:

We are highlighting that organisations don’t need to take any action yet, or change their policies

Why would you double-down on the advice you’ve literally just been told is incorrect?? They’re just repeating the incorrect legal advice again.

Unbelievable.

DuesToTheDirt · 02/05/2025 19:38

The Centre for Global Development had no idea what they were unleashing, did they, when they didn't renew Maya Forstater's contract. We have a lot to thank them for!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 02/05/2025 19:33

Oh that is a killer letter!

KnottyAuty · 02/05/2025 19:29

Excellent. They have flouted the law and given incorrect legal advice for years and taken millions in public money. No idea why this wasn’t done years ago

IwantToRetire · 01/05/2025 21:44

I used to work for Stonewall, but now it’s been captured by trans ideology
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/01/i-used-work-for-stonewall-but-now-captured-by-trans-ideolog/

Also at https://archive.is/57mtS

This seems to be annonymous or is it just not very clear?

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EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 10:52

Good news from the FA following the Supreme Court ruling. Well done to everyone FWS especially. From their statement.

The Supreme Court’s ruling on the 16 April means that we will be changing our policy. Transgender women will no longer be able to play in women’s football in England, and this policy will be implemented from 1 June 2025.

MarvellousMonsters · 01/05/2025 09:09

Whooowhooohoo · 27/04/2025 12:43

I read on another MN that Trans are “offended” by suffragette colors. Because it’s terf/bio women.

Bio women are wearing suffragette colors in protest.

I wear a suffragette flag enamel pin because I am a woman, and it stands for women’s rights. GQ can magic up their own flag, Green White Violet is Give Women Votes, and nothing else.

Sskka · 01/05/2025 06:26

@Rubidium "The second letter is worth a read as well"

It's still not making the link between that decade of activism and the fact that we have a generation of 'trans-identified youth' at all, though.

I don't like that there's still a taboo around the idea that this entirely new phenomenon may not be natural and spontaneous, but has instead been mimetically spread by ceding to activists ground which should never have been ceded. There's a reason why "trans people have always existed" is part of the mantra – it might be worth giving that line a bit of attention at some point.

mrshoho · 30/04/2025 23:10

Rubidium · 30/04/2025 22:40

Stonewall getting a bit of a kicking here from their former chief executive Ben Summerskill, of all people, in the letters page of The Grauniad, of all places.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/30/stonewall-policy-of-no-debate-on-trans-rights-was-a-mistake

The second letter is worth a read as well.

Making it clear the rot set in after his exit. I don't blame him but would have been helpful if he spoke up before now. Will Baroness Hunt be held to account? She bloody should be

TheCheeseTax · 30/04/2025 23:06

If you're not good at your actual job then you won't be long in it. 'T was ever thus...charlatans always (always) get found out in the end.

They were so respected. Such a force for good. Shackling themselves to a men's rights movement for pervy old dudes ruined them from the inside out. It actually is a great shame - their founder (I forget his name, very funny man - Fanshawe?) he must weep.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 30/04/2025 23:01

Janie143 · 24/04/2025 07:13

How come they've got no money? They didn't spend millions in Goverment grant, donor and Corporate scheme income on sevices for the LGBTQ blah blah people. So where did it go?

That’s a very good question. They’ve had a colossal income for many years. Where has it gone? Certainly not on benefitting lesbians and gay men, and its involvement with transactivism doesn’t seem to have been beneficial. This needs to be investigated.

KnottyAuty · 30/04/2025 22:59

MariadeiMiracoli · 26/04/2025 12:33

I'm a lesbian and I freeze at the sight of the rainbow lanyard and flag. They're increasingly a sign of homophobia. At their best, they're a sign of a well-meaning idiot, at worst they're worn by abusive people as a form of cover.

I’ve been developing a similar phobia. Was trying to decide on a form of words to explain to our GP should they be wearing one on our next visit… I was thinking that the rainbow stuff could easily be shown to create a hostile working environment for GC staff when combined with the NHS trans staff policies. Anyone know if someone has started a tribunal claim on that basis yet?

SinnerBoy · 30/04/2025 22:47

Blimey, that's a turn up for the books! Even the lofty Grauniad Towers seem to have concluded that reality has bitten.

Rubidium · 30/04/2025 22:40

Stonewall getting a bit of a kicking here from their former chief executive Ben Summerskill, of all people, in the letters page of The Grauniad, of all places.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/30/stonewall-policy-of-no-debate-on-trans-rights-was-a-mistake

The second letter is worth a read as well.

MarvellousMonsters · 30/04/2025 18:50

WarriorN · 24/04/2025 06:30

Stonwall et al achieved significant results after gay marriage was legalised and the trans grift was the next money spinner.

This has been like a rug pulled out from underneath them.

Pride before a fall, literally.

indeed

Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"
IwantToRetire · 30/04/2025 18:08

loveyouradvice · 30/04/2025 07:00

wow @IwantToRetire .... I hadn't fully realised that it was connected to gender studies replacing women's studies.... I remember noticing that (early 80s?) and thinking how sad it was, and how foolish ... but hadn't really seen it as part of the bigger picture.

Who was behind that??? Not stephen whittle again? Still cant believe the level of strategic planning and foresight he has shown in demolishing women's rights...

I dont know that any one person started it, but there are or have been contributors to FWR who are well informed.

If time later I might try and find the dates.

But both in terms of queer politics and TRAs whether a sinister plot or just very well organised networks of people with a shared belief, they have infiltrated any number of organisation and institutions that have influence.

Just look at how easily the main stream media became pro trans.

Look at how gender reassignment was given priority over sex in the EA.

And many more!

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loveyouradvice · 30/04/2025 07:00

wow @IwantToRetire .... I hadn't fully realised that it was connected to gender studies replacing women's studies.... I remember noticing that (early 80s?) and thinking how sad it was, and how foolish ... but hadn't really seen it as part of the bigger picture.

Who was behind that??? Not stephen whittle again? Still cant believe the level of strategic planning and foresight he has shown in demolishing women's rights...

IwantToRetire · 28/04/2025 19:49

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 28/04/2025 08:07

What the flip is gender queer? Can anyone explain as if to a six year old please?

It was the queer activists of the 70s (and earlier?) who as part of the analysis of disrupting the norm got women's studies centres closed in universities and instead had gender studies.

And this colonising of women's politics is why so many university educated people have learnt to prioritise queer over old fashioned sex based rights women's politics.

The whole change to what were LGB groups based on same sex attraction is because of queer politics (and the increase overt sexual exhibitionism and pornographic representation).

There have been lots of threads about queer politics.

And worth remembering that the editor of the Guardian says queer politics informs everything she does.

So as I posted earlier, older trans women who were not part of this hijacking of the issue by queer activists, would have had a very different experience.

Unfortunately their life choices have been hijacked as another strand for the queer activists to claim they represent.

What has happened isn't accidental!

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aylis · 28/04/2025 11:39

Stonewall has a lot to answer for but I'm starting to think they just took advantage of an increasing culture of idiocy among politicians and universities etc. They haven't caused, for example, the Feminist Society at Leeds Uni to be so completely poorly informed that they stated the UK Govt had 'passed a new bill', or caused politicians to fail to bother to read the recent judgement, or caused people to hero worship nyaffy wee woman hating pricks like Pedro Pascal and David Tennant, who they would criticise for the way they speak about women in ANY other context. People just don't have thinking skills and they're not willing to read or learn anything for themselves. Happy to delegate their thinking to someone else, and Stonewall has been happy to pretend to have thought.

SidewaysOtter · 28/04/2025 11:37

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 28/04/2025 08:07

What the flip is gender queer? Can anyone explain as if to a six year old please?

It means you’re special. Specialier than anyone else and with rainbow glitter to make you extra extra special.

loveyouradvice · 28/04/2025 11:28

I proudly wear my suffragette colours and have acquired a few more in the last 12 months... I truly do feel this is our generation's "suffragette moment" and every bit as important!

quantumbutterfly · 28/04/2025 11:24

Janie143 · 28/04/2025 08:47

So wearing suffragette colours means you're gender queer now 🤔

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😂I think we can safely say that suffragette colours haven't been successfully hijacked.

Janie143 · 28/04/2025 08:47

quantumbutterfly · 27/04/2025 12:51

https://www.flagcolorcodes.com/genderqueer

Not all marketing campaigns are successful....but thanks to David Lammy (rare words) some are. 🦕 🦖

So wearing suffragette colours means you're gender queer now 🤔